Lease Agreement - Late Charge and how much to charge?

Lease Agreement - Late Charge and how much to charge?

Rental Property Investor · Savage, MN · Member since 2016 · 202 posts · 61 votes

Hello BP family!

So I am a newer Investor/Landlord (since 2014). My question to fellow investors and landlords is how do you charge your late fee structure on your lease agreement, and how much do you charge? 

My state of Minnesota allows me to charge a max of 8% of the rental agreement ($1400/month). I was curious if anyone has another method or knows of any that work better than just a flat late fee like I charge? I don't want to turn away good renters, but I also don't want to attract tenants that feel a smaller fee is easier to manage, say $25-$50.

My Current late charge section includes the following taken from my current lease agreement:

"A late fee of $112.00, (not to exceed 8% of the monthly rent), shall be added and due for any payment of rent made after the 1st of the month. Any late fee(s) are due upon the following month's rent due date. Any dishonored check shall be treated as unpaid rent, and subject to a additional fee of $25, in addition to applicable late fee charges" 

I currently work in the financial field full time, so fee's are fee's. The banks don't let anyone slide, and charge you an overdraft or late payment, but being new to the real estate game, is this along those lines as well? Any ideas to improve? Is that too steep of a fee? What works for you? 

Thank you in advance for any input!!

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Rick SantasierePro Member
Real Estate Broker · Granby, CT · Member since 2015 · 695 posts · 317 votes
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@Alexander Langas always, check your local real estate law, but I have a little trick I use in CT and it goes like this: If you and the tenant agree on a rent on $100/month, you write the lease up as the rent being $110/mo (you would explain this to the tenant prior to just suprising them with something they didn't understand:), you would then write the following:

"A credit of $10 will be credited to the tenant each month the rent is paid on or before the first of the month." Two things are at play with this scenario, and they are beautiful:  First, there are some states (Connecticut is one of them) that doesn't allow late fees until a certain date; this scenario "builds in the late fee" without calling it a late fee. Second, it's a great honest and respectful discussion between you and the tenant, and it builds a rapport, and it's black and white:  You pay me on the first (for a credit), or you pay me on the 2nd and third for full rent (which is 10% over the agreed upon rental amount). Use whatever % your state allows for.  I also put something along these lines after it. "If rent is not received by midnight on the 10th day, Notice to Quit will be filed by [insert attorney name and address] and immediate eviction process begins per state of CT guidelines." I saw some great responses, this is just another creative option. Hope it adds value to someone !! 

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  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
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    Originally posted by @Rick Santasiere:

    @Alexander Langas always, check your local real estate law, but I have a little trick I use in CT and it goes like this: If you and the tenant agree on a rent on $100/month, you write the lease up as the rent being $110/mo (you would explain this to the tenant prior to just suprising them with something they didn't understand:), you would then write the following:

    "A credit of $10 will be credited to the tenant each month the rent is paid on or before the first of the month." Two things are at play with this scenario, and they are beautiful:  First, there are some states (Connecticut is one of them) that doesn't allow late fees until a certain date; this scenario "builds in the late fee" without calling it a late fee. Second, it's a great honest and respectful discussion between you and the tenant, and it builds a rapport, and it's black and white:  You pay me on the first (for a credit), or you pay me on the 2nd and third for full rent (which is 10% over the agreed upon rental amount). Use whatever % your state allows for.  I also put something along these lines after it. "If rent is not received by midnight on the 10th day, Notice to Quit will be filed by [insert attorney name and address] and immediate eviction process begins per state of CT guidelines." I saw some great responses, this is just another creative option. Hope it adds value to someone !! 

    This is illegal in Connecticut.

  • Property Manager · Windsor Locks, CT · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Victor N. My understanding of the Connecticut General Statute is that you cannot start charging a late fee UNTIL the 10th day. Your first post said until AFTER the 10th day. But hey, I'm probably wrong. 


    " If rent is unpaid when due and the tenant fails to pay rent within nine days thereafter or, in the case of a one-week tenancy, within four days thereafter, the landlord may terminate the rental agreement in accordance with the provisions of sections 47a-23 to 47a-23b, inclusive."

  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
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    @Filipe Pereira in CT, a tenant has until the 10th to pay ( grace period). You cannot charge a late fee on the 10th since that is still part of their grace period. Your first opportunity to charge a late fee is on the 11th or after the 10th.

    You will benefit from talking to an experienced CT landlord.  And before you rent your 1st apt you should try to stop by the Hartford civil court and listen in on landlord / tenant issues. It is a "waste" of time since you have no case but very informative! You will learn a lot and hopefully never return as a plaintiff nor defendant.

  • Ian WalshBusiness Member
    Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Charge whatever you want.  The key is to either enforce it or don't.  If you are disciplined about enforcing it, it will have an impact.  If you are hit or miss with it, the resident will become frustrated.  The exact amount is usually not the issue.

  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Victor N. good advice on sitting on sitting in landlord/tenant court to hear the different eviction issues. I like that tip. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Savage, MN · Member since 2016 · 202 posts · 61 votes
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    @Mike Dymski thank you for your input Mike! That looks rock solid and I should probably include an eviction filing clause within my lease as well just so they are aware. Good tips!

    @Victor N. thanks for your input Victor! yeah that fly's in MN per MN landlord laws on late fees per NOLO.com "Rent is legally due on the date specified in your lease or rental agreement (usually the first of the month). If you don’t pay rent when it is due, the landlord may begin charging you a late fee. Under Minnesota law, a late fee policy must be agreed to in writing, and may not exceed 8% of the overdue rent payment. Late fee policy must be agreed to in writing, and may not exceed 8% of the overdue rent payment. The "due date" for late fee purposes does not include a date earlier than the usual rent due date, by which date a tenant earns a discount" (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/minnesota-t...) I suppose a grace period is per state and possibly per landlord. I have never had a good experience with allowing it, as then the due date is then the end of the grace date.

    @Filipe Pereira Thanks for your insight Filipe! 

    @Account Closed

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Alexander Lang:

    @Mike Dymski thank you for your input Mike! That looks rock solid and I should probably include an eviction filing clause within my lease as well just so they are aware. Good tips!

    @Victor N. thanks for your input Victor! yeah that fly's in MN per MN landlord laws on late fees per NOLO.com "Rent is legally due on the date specified in your lease or rental agreement (usually the first of the month). If you don’t pay rent when it is due, the landlord may begin charging you a late fee. Under Minnesota law, a late fee policy must be agreed to in writing, and may not exceed 8% of the overdue rent payment. Late fee policy must be agreed to in writing, and may not exceed 8% of the overdue rent payment. The "due date" for late fee purposes does not include a date earlier than the usual rent due date, by which date a tenant earns a discount" (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/minnesota-t...) I suppose a grace period is per state and possibly per landlord. I have never had a good experience with allowing it, as then the due date is then the end of the grace date.

    @Filipe Pereira Thanks for your insight Filipe! 

    @Account Closed

    My lease does not identify the 10th of the month as the eviction filing date but my late fee notices do; so, when they get a late fee notice on the 6th, it says eviction filing will occur on the 10th. The alternative is to take the front door off for repairs that take a few days to complete...

  • Property Manager · Windsor Locks, CT · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Thumbs up!

  • Investor · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 1 vote
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    @Alexander Lang - Thanks for asking this questions and thanks everyone else for the great responses. 

    @Larry Watson RentMonitor looks pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing.

    To piggy back on this questions, is reminder to the tenant letting them know that they have missed the due date and need to pay rent with a late fee included, does that have to be in writing or is a phone call asking the tenant to pay and include late fee sufficient? 

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    I don't charge a late fee. That can be adversarial. I give an early payment discount. My leases are worded that the rent is $900 (example only) and that if the rent payment is POSTMARKED by the 3rd they get a $75 discount  making the rent $825. This has worked well. Previously, when I had a unit with late fees, it was sometimes difficult and a fight to get that extra amount. So far, my tenants seem OK with the new lease wording, and I have yet had a tenant not take advantage of the early payment discount. 

  • Rick SantasierePro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Granby, CT · Member since 2015 · 695 posts · 317 votes
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    A lot of great thoughts out here. Victor N. Why do you feel it is illegal to provide a credit? A lease is a legal binding document. My attorney as well as other investors have never had a problem explaining this to the tenant, and coaching them on paying rent on time. Do you have an experience where you saw someone using my technique have any problems? If so, I would enjoy opening that dialogue with you so we can all be better. Let's chat soon!! Thanks for your dedication to the law.
  • Property Manager · Windsor Locks, CT · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Victor N. How do you handle late fees with your tennants? 

  • Lenexa, KS · Member since 2015 · 206 posts · 53 votes
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    I charge $50 late fee and $20 per day. I am a weird property manager (and owner unbeknownst to them) though, I actually sit down with every tenant and review the entire lease with the them (highlighting each paragraph) to make sure they understand what they are signing and what the expectations are.
  • Real Estate Broker · Windsor, CT · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 268 votes
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    @Filipe Pereira and @Rick Santasiere I would be interested in being a part of that investor group looking at the lease agreements is definitely key. 

  • Rick SantasierePro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Granby, CT · Member since 2015 · 695 posts · 317 votes
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    @Melissa Gittens. YES!!! Life/business has been so hectic lately. I actually made it to a meetup this week which was great. Let's try and connect in the next few weeks and we can meet up for an hour over coffee and do some brainstorming.

  • Real Estate Broker · Windsor, CT · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 268 votes
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    sounds great!

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