Agent hasn't rent out our duplex 3 weeks after closing

Agent hasn't rent out our duplex 3 weeks after closing

Rental Property Investor · Burlington, MA · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 7 votes

Our buyer’s agent offered to list our duplex for rental with the commission paid by tenants. However, it has been 3 weeks after closing but there has been no deal despite activities of showing and open houses. We are seeking advice on how we should handle this situation.

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The rental was not listed until several days prior to closing as our agent indicated that he didn’t want it to span too long, and it was not convenient to show the property as he had to call/text the seller each time. However, our friends who are also buying rental properties said their agent always started renting activities early on and usually had a lease in place at the time of closing. We were contacted by other agents who offered to lease the property, but we turned them all down as we thought our buyer’s agent has the better access and knowledge than others.

To help with getting the property rented, we listed the property at some other places by ourselves and were directly contacted by many potential tenants contacted us. We told our agent that we were doing this and the plan was we would eventually refer the candidates to him. Most often, when we told the candidates that the lease must be done through an agent and commission needs to be paid to the agent, they shied away.

An Exclusive Rental Listing Agreement has been signed for one of the two units, with a term ending in September 30.

We believe that our agent made efforts on protecting us from bad tenants. An example is that a group of people didn’t bring cashier’s check for upfront payment as they agreed, so he didn’t give keys to them and requested cashier’s check. Those people never came back.

The period for graduate school students' rental has been missed given we are at mid-September. We could have better grasped these opportunities as the P&S was signed in mid-July.

Rent has been reduced by $200 during these 3 weeks.

The first mortgage payment of about $3000 is due on Oct 1.

Some thoughts:

We have to do something to prevent further loss. We now are considering trying to make deals by ourselves without involving the agent. The property will be obvious more attractive without additional fee charged to tenants. My husband wants this to be done in a courteous way without irrigating our agent, but we don’t know how.

Are we obligated to pay some gratuities to him for his efforts in renting? If so, what would be an appropriate amount? (He had received over 10 grands commission acting the buyer’s agent though.)

Though there are improvement could be done to the property (install an additional bathroom, update kitchens, add compressor for A/C), given we bought it at a retail price, probably it’s not an option to make these updates and sell it.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Ottawa, IL · Member since 2016 · 242 posts · 107 votes
9y

@Shirley X. - I hate to say this, but 9 times out of 10, it's not the agent. Now, this may be an exception, but likely it's not. Usually it's something to do with the place, location, etc. However, your agent should be sharing this with you. (i.e. kitchen too small or busy street or too dated, etc)

Speaking from personal experience, when I have a residential rental, I get emails, calls, and leads up the ***. Like really, you can't even imagine it. However, contacting those back, like 95% don't even get back to me! Of the ones that do, another 95% don't fit the criteria (think: very very unqualified tenants, pets when it clearly says no pets, etc). Then, of the ones you do show it to, most you never hear from again (even ones that say they will rent asap!) It's honestly a really crazy thing!

Now, moving on, I don't understand the making the tenant pay thing, I've never heard of it. In our market (and to my knowledge every market) the seller is responsible for commissions and here it's typically 1 month's rent divided between the 2 agents (him, the listing agent, and the other one that brings it it. So more motivation for him to find the renter). So my thought on this, is he planning on "charging" the tenant that extra amount? That could surely be turning potential renters away! I would ask about this. Also, check the comps, are you competitively priced for what you offer? It might be too much in general and that's what people realize and turn away.

Another few tips, when you guys personally get leads, either explain it better to them (say it's no cost to you, if it isn't, which it shouldn't be!) or just tell them he's your guy who takes care of that department and leave it at that. Most renters are used to that set up, you have to speak their language. They still maybe never to heard from, and that could just be the nature like I explained above, or it could be him. I assume if you're using him and liked him when you worked on buy side it would be the same (unless he just doesn't think he's making enough money off it and it's not worth any work). I think that answer is more personal.

Which is my final point. There should be no commission unless he finds a tenant, per contract. So you can cancel at any time if you think he's not doing what he should. I would strongly recommend you try to discern that first or communicate these concerns you shared with us with him, and give him a timeline. Again, take in to account this may not be his fault and try to treat him like a human being =) You'd be surprised how many times people take their frustrations out on agents when it's their decisions on pricing or not fixing/updating! So I feel pretty biased in this and feel obligated to say check all the other potential issues off the list before blaming the agent! =)

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  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2010 · 739 posts · 372 votes
    9y

    @Shirley X.

    You want something done, do it yourself.

    Are you that removed from the property that you need to pay an agent to rent it?

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    Rental Property Investor · Albany, OR · Member since 2015 · 312 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    The commission being paid by tenants is interesting to me. I would expect an owner to pay that. It's a property management fee, and the agent is working for you, not the tenant. Maybe it's common in your area though, I'm not sure. I would take a look at your funnel and see where things are getting stuck. You said you posted online and are getting plenty of leads, so it seems you are marketing is okay. When do things go wrong? Is it after seeing the property condition? Maybe something needs to be fixed up or the price lowered. Are your tenants not qualified? Maybe your requirements are too high, or your price is too high and you aren't getting a good pool of candidates. Have you spoken with your agent to see why it hasn't been rented yet? Keep in communication with them so you know what's going on with your property.

  • Boxborough, MA · Member since 2014 · 230 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    Excellent post, Michael Kalis!

  • Investor · Winter Park, FL · Member since 2017 · 171 posts · 165 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by

    In fact, of the 10 rentals I just checked on MLS in your town, only one offered any compensation from the landlord to the renter's agent.

    What's that have to do with who pays the listing agent?

  • Deland, FL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    1. Have your friends agent rent it instead of your current agent

    2.  Personally I would not pay a fee to an agent to rent a property 

  • Rental Property Investor · Burlington, MA · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    Thank you all for all the advice! I read all of the posts and appreciate all the perspective. Some of them really guided our action.

    Here are some updates:

    We communicated with our agent that our decision of taking it over. He was apologetic and did not give us any hard time in terms of the exclusive agreement.

    We are now actively listing and showing it, and enjoying this experience. We just got first application for one unit today. 

    Thank you ALL again! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Burlington, MA · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    To give an update to all of you who provided valuable inputs on this matter:

    We have been doing group showing for the property for 7 evenings. We did the showing after work (it takes about 1-1.5 hour driving from work to the rental property during rush hour, and 40 mins coming home after showing). We used craigs' list, and trulia/zillow/hotpad. Though exhausted, we found it fun to answer inquiries, arrange group showing, and interact with people bringing all kinds of stories.

    One apartment has been under lease with an amazing couple (both are working professionals). Lease starts on 10/8.

    For another apartment, 4 groups of people submitted their applications. We focus our consideration on two of them, one a young CEO of a young start-up, and a section-8 family. Details were given in post below.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/491...

    Thank you for the inspirations and courage that each of you gave me that brought us into this exciting/exhausting/rewarding adventure!

    @Amy Beth

    @Melissa Kirchhoff

    @Shawn Ackerman

    @Curt Smith

    @Jennifer T.

    @Jd Martin

    @Christine Kankowski

    @Park Pratt

    @Craig Bellot

    @Patrick Collins

    @Mike Wood

    @Amy Kendall

    @James Marshall

    @Michael Kalis

    @Andrew Johnson

    @Gabriel Haro

    @Debra Grumbach

    @Walt Dockery

    @Joel Owens

    @Charlie MacPherson

    @Rich Ng

    @Steve Vaughan

    @Chris Purcell

    @Jake Thompson

    @Carol Zeroual

    @Walt Dockery

    @Michael Plante

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 206 posts · 138 votes
    9y

    I think this is a sample case of let the agent be the agent and the Property manager do the managing.  I have alot of agents offered to rent out the property for me as a selling point and charging very low management fees but essentially they have no experience in property management.  (not sure if they even know how to use Excel)

    Sorry this happened.  Good luck in renting your place.  I would not turn away any more potential tenants.  You can use apps like Zumper to screen credit, eviction, and crime records.  

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