The Aftermath of My First Nightmare Tenant- Advice Needed

The Aftermath of My First Nightmare Tenant- Advice Needed

Allston, MA · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes

Hi there. I've been a landlord for 10 years, have always been careful in screening, and have been very lucky with tenants. Until now. I've only posted on this forum once before, asking for advice on how to not renew a tenant's lease - without drama.  Well, the tenant finally left on May 31st, but the drama has arrived.

The first unfortunate fact that is important for context is that the tenant has purchased a house almost directly across the street from the rental property and will be moving into it soon.  So my dream of never seeing him again has been crushed. 

We didn't have a final walk-through because he left town (he won't be moving across the street for a few weeks).

In addition to leaving a big ugly mess (including rocks and turtle crap in the bathtub, which i mention only because it's original) and leaving behind huge furniture in this third-floor apartment, there are two much bigger deals:

1) I believe he has sabotaged the plumbing. This is a relatively high-end, very well-maintained three-family building (with separate water meters for each unit). The hot water in the bathroom and the cold water in the kitchen are not working. I don't know what he did. The reason I believe he sabotaged it is that he would never have lived with it not working. This is a guy who calls if the grass is a half-inch too long or the snow plow makes too much noise.  I don't know what else he might have done to the house. I will obviously call a plumber to try to find out what's going on, but is there some kind of list of other items to check? Not just plumbing, but anything a tenant might have sabotaged?   If it does appeared to be sabotaged,  what recourse is there? I am sure his security deposit will be used up on junk and trash removal, cleaning, fixing everything he broke.

2) Among the things he left behind were a huge nitrous oxide tank in the bedroom closet and six boxes totaling literally thousands of steel cartridges that say "ultra pure" on them.  I didn't know what they were, but looked them up and found out that they come filled with nitrous oxide and are called "whippits" which you can inhale to get high (and just a bit of brain damage, which now makes total sense given his behavior).  I had a junk removal guy come to give me an estimate and he said he wouldn't take the steel cartridges (which, btw, are quite heavy. I'd guess each box weighs around 30 lbs).  He said he doubts that a metal junking place would want to take the risk that there's a full cartridge amid the thousands of empty ones because they can be explosive (you can also apparently lose a finger or your face  to frostbite while using it, if you're not careful). 

So, now i'm faced with the issue of what to do with literally thousands of these, probably weighing around 150 or 180 lbs.   

AND how to determine possible sabotage.

AND the fact that this lunatic will soon be living across the street. Also, he's a bit of a sociopath and he has managed to gather the sympathy of the neighbors about having to move while his wife is taking care of her mother.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. 

Many thanks.

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Steinhatchee, FL · Member since 2017 · 77 posts · 69 votes
8y

You could carry it across the street to his new house.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    8y

    well I think you answered your own questions. pretty much

    plumber for plumbing issues.. you might want a electrician to do a quick walk through of your panel and check each receptacle make sure he did not switch wires..

    when they really want to be bad they will put concrete down your drain lines.. so if he did not do that .. then your good there.. but you may want to snake your lines anyway just so you know there in good condition.

    As for the haul off.. what I would personally do.. is go rent a small u haul go to the home depot parking lot or where ever your day laborers hang out grab two of them and have them haul the stuff to the u haul then go to the dump and have them empty the uhaul pay them and take them back to home depo parking lot.. also have plenty of water for them or Gatorade and maybe a sandwich.. that's how I would handle that.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 930 votes
    8y

    You could file a lawsuit. Too bad you couldn't do this before his closing. That would mess up his plans to purchase his home. Also since you know where he lives and he is a homeowner, you have some recourse for collecting on your judgement.

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Midge C. If those steel tanks are set up like O2 or SCUBA tanks, there will be a valve on top that you open to dispense the gas inside.

    If it were me, I'd open those valves to be sure the tanks were empty.  Then I'd unscrew the valves completely so that the tank now has an empty hole where the valve was.  At that point, the metal scrap/recycler is sure that there is no hazard from a high pressure cylinder going "boom!".

    Two cautions - dump the tank's contents outdoors.  Nitrous Oxide can kill you be means of suffocation if the concentration is high enough.  

    It's also an oxidizer, so if you were to vent near a flame, it could cause that flame to be a lot more energetic.

    I'd post on your local Facebook group and look for anyone interested in scrap metal.  People here on the South Shore do it frequently and often have multiple takers.

  • Steinhatchee, FL · Member since 2017 · 77 posts · 69 votes
    8y

    You could carry it across the street to his new house.

  • Asheville, NC · Member since 2017 · 170 posts · 242 votes
    8y
    I also vote “haul it to his new house”.
  • Deland, FL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    After reading the title I figured the tenant had held over for months ornmaybe a year.  

    Or maybe they poured concrete down the drain

    Or maybe released bedbugs and termites into the house 

    Or maybe put dead fish behind the drywall and patched the holes 

    A dirty tub and a few hundred pounds of metal And a few damaged pipe IMO that is not even close to a disturbing dream tenant let alone a nightmare tenant   Lol

  • Allston, MA · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Michael Plante:

    After reading the title I figured the tenant had held over for months ornmaybe a year.  

    Or maybe they poured concrete down the drain

    Or maybe released bedbugs and termites into the house 

    Or maybe put dead fish behind the drywall and patched the holes 

    A dirty tub and a few hundred pounds of metal And a few damaged pipe IMO that is not even close to a disturbing dream tenant let alone a nightmare tenant   Lol

    Michael, I appreciate your perspective. I didn't list every nasty thing he left behind and i know it could have been a LOT worse. Mainly I mean that he was terrible to deal with through his tenancy, and gave me grief every chance he got.  In truth, the biggest nightmare for me is the fact that he'll be living directly across the street.

  • Allston, MA · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Midge C. If those steel tanks are set up like O2 or SCUBA tanks, there will be a valve on top that you open to dispense the gas inside.

    If it were me, I'd open those valves to be sure the tanks were empty.  Then I'd unscrew the valves completely so that the tank now has an empty hole where the valve was.  At that point, the metal scrap/recycler is sure that there is no hazard from a high pressure cylinder going "boom!".

    Two cautions - dump the tank's contents outdoors.  Nitrous Oxide can kill you be means of suffocation if the concentration is high enough.  

    It's also an oxidizer, so if you were to vent near a flame, it could cause that flame to be a lot more energetic.

    I'd post on your local Facebook group and look for anyone interested in scrap metal.  People here on the South Shore do it frequently and often have multiple takers.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Midge C. If those steel tanks are set up like O2 or SCUBA tanks, there will be a valve on top that you open to dispense the gas inside.

    If it were me, I'd open those valves to be sure the tanks were empty.  Then I'd unscrew the valves completely so that the tank now has an empty hole where the valve was.  At that point, the metal scrap/recycler is sure that there is no hazard from a high pressure cylinder going "boom!".

    Two cautions - dump the tank's contents outdoors.  Nitrous Oxide can kill you be means of suffocation if the concentration is high enough.  

    It's also an oxidizer, so if you were to vent near a flame, it could cause that flame to be a lot more energetic.

    I'd post on your local Facebook group and look for anyone interested in scrap metal.  People here on the South Shore do it frequently and often have multiple takers.

    one of my telemarketers husband was a fisherman in Alaska.. and he just got his first captions position.

    something was wrong down in the freezer we went down there to check It out and exactly as you described he perished.

    I was thinking these were like little co 2 thingees you put in a pellet gun:)  if they are big tanks I bet you can recycle them somewhere. 

  • Allston, MA · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Midge C. If those steel tanks are set up like O2 or SCUBA tanks, there will be a valve on top that you open to dispense the gas inside.

    If it were me, I'd open those valves to be sure the tanks were empty.  Then I'd unscrew the valves completely so that the tank now has an empty hole where the valve was.  At that point, the metal scrap/recycler is sure that there is no hazard from a high pressure cylinder going "boom!".

    Two cautions - dump the tank's contents outdoors.  Nitrous Oxide can kill you be means of suffocation if the concentration is high enough.  

    It's also an oxidizer, so if you were to vent near a flame, it could cause that flame to be a lot more energetic.

    I'd post on your local Facebook group and look for anyone interested in scrap metal.  People here on the South Shore do it frequently and often have multiple takers.

    one of my telemarketers husband was a fisherman in Alaska.. and he just got his first captions position.

    something was wrong down in the freezer we went down there to check It out and exactly as you described he perished.

    I was thinking these were like little co 2 thingees you put in a pellet gun:)  if they are big tanks I bet you can recycle them somewhere. 

    @Charlie MacPherson and @Jay Hinrichs:  The junk hauler took the big tank, probably because it was the only thing worth something. He ended up deciding not to do the job after that.  But the thousands of steel cartridges are only about an inch or so long, and have no valve. I will try to post a photo here in case anyone else is lucky enough to get a renter that abuses nitrous oxide all day long. :)   Because they are so small, it would be hard to tell if any of them are still full - unlikely but still a risk. The only way to tell is by whether a tiny piece of foil is still covering a hole on the smaller end. I'd really need to handle them all individually to be sure that none of them are full, and even then, who knows if a metal place will accept them. I'll try asking on Facebook -good idea, and thank you. it's not the kind of thing I'd want to put on Craigslist. Thanks to all who have responded. 

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