How do you "harden" your rentals?

How do you "harden" your rentals?

Chuck B.Pro Member
Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2011 · 279 posts · 248 votes

Dear Pocketers,

How do you harden / bullet-proof your rentals?

While I've never had anyone utterly trash a rental of mine, I've seen the damage they can do first hand (typically when buying the rental and seeing what the previous occupants did to it). Here are a few of the things I do:

One of my favorites, and easiest to do, is that I "frame" all wire racks, their support rods, towel holders, toilet paper holders, etc. using backer wood that is mounted to studs. If it's very visible, we'll route the edges and paint it like trim. If it's in a closet, it just gets wall color. This way, if the kids hang off the coat racks or someone abuses the towel holders, they may yank the hardware down, but it doesn't leave holes in the wall. It's also much harder to destroy them in the first place. Note the towel holder mounting:

When first buying a property, if it's easily accessible, I'll replace copper with Pex (plastic) plumbing from the get go, even if the copper is OK. I don't have to worry about it freezing and it's not a crime target.

We cage all of our A/C units now using custom fabricated 2 inch square tube, typically mounting them into the wall so the bolts have to be released from inside. I also lock exterior A/C circuit boxes and label the units, cage and circuit box with A/C specific alarm stickers that I had made up.

I will frequently install an inexpensive alarm system (not monitored) which gives me peace of mind between tenants and acts as a selling point when showing the units.

I've doubled up on door stops (to prevent doorknobs from going into walls). While I use the standard springy ones that mount into baseboard still, they tend to be targets for kids and end up missing, so I back these up with the plastic circles that affix to the wall where the handle would hit. (These are also great for just covering a previously made hole where the door knob hit the wall) They're expensive though, so I've started buying large, bulk packages of plastic, foam-backed pads that you set furniture on, and simply using double sided tape behind these. These cost maybe 30 cents apiece where the purpose built ones cost $3 apiece.

If I have to renovate a bathroom, I no longer use the plastic/fiberglass shower inserts. I've seen people put holes into both the tubs and crack the walls of these. For just a couple hundred more I'll have an iron tub installed and we'll tile the shower. It's a lot more attractive and seems to be a lot more durable in the long run.

What tricks have you learned to "harden" your own rentals?

Best,
- Chuck

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Investor · Statewide, MO · Member since 2011 · 814 posts · 425 votes
14y

Avoid carpet wherever possible. I have begun using allure flooring. It's attractive and allegedly very durable, a 25 year floor. It's floating and waterproof.

Yard: Make as much as possible, mower maintainable. Limit / remove trees and shrubs whenever possible.

Plumbing fixtures: Use shedule 40 drain pipes under bathroom and kitchen sinks with a wye cleanout. I have had so many leaks with the screw together pipe over the years.

Bathroom remodels: Remove any bathroom windows that reside inside a shower enclosure. They can be a massive maintenance headache. Install a fart fan to bring it up to code.

Gas lines: remove all unused fuel runs. Run electric for dryer and stove if electric not present.

Security: 4 inch screws in the latches of all exterior doors. Makes it a little tougher for them to get in and steal my copper.

Storm doors, if present: have chains installed so they can't whip wide open and trash the closers. Be clear with the tenant, they're on the hook for it if anything happens. It's best to remove them altogether.

Appliances: NEVER an icemaker. They make up 50% of appliance service calls. NO THANKS!

If having a furnace installed, pay the extra 10-25 and have a filter rack installed. Makes changing the filter much much easier.

Wish I learned these things on day 1.

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y

    @Bryan N.   Me too!    Also when people say they do pedestal sinks due to pressboard vanities we have left some old wall hung sinks in and added a good wall hanging cabinet,  it gives storage but keeps the undersink area open so you can see the drip, drip, dripping.

  • Rental Property Investor · Douglas County, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Bryan N.:

    I prefer these  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Design-House-2-1-8-in-x-1-3-4-in-Satin-Nickel-Standard-Hinge-Pin-Door-Stop-202390/203447332

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:
    Originally posted by @Bryan N.:

    I prefer these  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Design-House-2-1-8-in-x-1-3-4-in-Satin-Nickel-Standard-Hinge-Pin-Door-Stop-202390/203447332

     i have them at my house and dont like them. they continuously get unscrewed and let the door bang against the wall. i literally have to go to each one and tweak them once a week. not joking..

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
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    I'm confused, why do you not use conventional baseboard doorstops? They work great, and if you're concerned about them being kicked out, use the springy ones. $2 and come in 6 finishes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-Satin-Nickel-Spring-Door-Stop-15582/202033976.  The only times I've used the hinge ones is in very unusual circumstances, like the door opens to a glass front built in cabinet.  The only downside I've found to the springy ones is the kids might drive you crazy plucking them to hear the thwanggggggggggg sound.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Johann Jells:

    I'm confused, why do you not use conventional baseboard doorstops? They work great, and if you're concerned about them being kicked out, use the springy ones. $2 and come in 6 finishes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-Satin-Nickel-Spring-Door-Stop-15582/202033976.  The only times I've used the hinge ones is in very unusual circumstances, like the door opens to a glass front built in cabinet.  The only downside I've found to the springy ones is the kids might drive you crazy plucking them to hear the thwanggggggggggg sound.

     or cats

    https://youtu.be/4aTagDSnclk?t=18s
  • Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2009 · 203 posts · 50 votes
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    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:

     i have them at my house and dont like them. they continuously get unscrewed and let the door bang against the wall. i literally have to go to each one and tweak them once a week. not joking..

     Get a couple of nuts and put them on either side, then they cannot unscrew themselves. Add a lock washer for added peace of mind. Or some Loctite thread locker

  • Rental Property Investor · Douglas County, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @George P. I have never had a problem like you described, but if I did, I would do as Uwe suggested.

    @Johann Jells I have used the springy ones as well, but the hinge stops are cheaper and will work where the other kind will not.

    I was really just saying that I'd rather use a door stop than an ugly plastic circle on the wall.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Uwe K.:
    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:

     i have them at my house and dont like them. they continuously get unscrewed and let the door bang against the wall. i literally have to go to each one and tweak them once a week. not joking..

     Get a couple of nuts and put them on either side, then they cannot unscrew themselves. Add a lock washer for added peace of mind. Or some Loctite thread locker

     i have had the thread lock sitting next to them and just too lazy to do it. :)

  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    11y

    Too many years into this I'm all about the cheesy white circle on the wall.  I'm starting to think of using ranks of them as wainscoting... or maybe a chair rail to save some $.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    11y

    We use the circle guard and paint right over it, and you don't really ever see them during showings since all the bedroom doors are open then. We also have baseboard door stops. We do both because I've seen that tenants find a way to still get holes in the wall from the doorknob even with baseboard doorstops.

  • Wholesaler · Holiday, FL · Member since 2013 · 571 posts · 221 votes
    11y

    You can use a decorative decoupage board on the wall if the white plastic circles are too searing to your sensibilities.  Stained and varnished - or even painted they look nice.  I use scrap wood to make them on a router table but you can buy them for cheap.  Or installing a chair rail on that one wall will do it.

    .  

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 198 posts · 25 votes
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    When buying a Glacier Bay or cheap toilet, what does everyone replace the "guts" with to harden the toilet (please provide Home Depot link)???

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Rick L.:

    When buying a Glacier Bay or cheap toilet, what does everyone replace the "guts" with to harden the toilet (please provide Home Depot link)???

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluidmaster-Fill-Valve-...

    i do that if i dont give them new toilets

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Hattiesburg, MS · Member since 2011 · 475 posts · 141 votes
    11y

    Really like this this topic.

    Has anyone used this peel n stick vinyl from Lowes?  Looks really nice in person and at $1.18 per sq/ft it's dirt cheap to buy and install.  

    What I'm doing on my current remodel to reduce future maintenance.  

    Had to buy cabinets due to PO removing the existing ones.  Went with solid wood cabinets over prefab.  Cost was $3,500.00.  About a grand more in total but the cabinet shop paints and installs.  I hate the look of the prefabs and worried about being able to find replacement doors, shelves, etc....

    Plan on installing granite in the kitchen.  $1,600 includes the sink and install.  Again could have saved $800 by going with tile but grout is impossible to keep clean in a kitchen.

    Vinyl flooring throughout.  Cheapest and most durable option I can think of.

    Old HVAC was toast.  New 3.5 ton 14 seer HP system was $3,300.  Slowly phasing out the gas units in my other rentals as they die.  Unless other systems use gas the tenants will shut off the gas during the summer.  Some don't even use it during our fairly mild winters and it ends up being a PIA dealing with the gas company for a reconnect.  Pressure test/leaks/service from the unit sitting unused.  

    If the roof needs replacing always opt for the lifetime architectural shingles with streak guard.  

    Try to use the same beige color scheme on the interiors so touchup is simple.  

    I try not to supply extra appliances.  Stove, Fridge, and that's it.  

    Plan on installing LED bulbs in most of the fixtures from here on out.  They never go out and will hopefully prevent the tenant from messing with the fixtures.  

    Install drain pans under the HW heaters.

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Johann Jells:

    ...  The only downside I've found to the springy ones is the kids might drive you crazy plucking them to hear the thwanggggggggggg sound.

    My DOG does that to get attention when I am on the other side of a closed door that has those!

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Rick L.:

    When buying a Glacier Bay or cheap toilet, what does everyone replace the "guts" with to harden the toilet (please provide Home Depot link)???

    I switch out ballcock style toilet guts with Fluidmaster units. 

    Theses days there are other brands where the float operation is not a ball on a rod, and some even have dual flush (less water used to flush pee). 

  • Investor · Hampton Roads, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 418 votes
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    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:
    Originally posted by @Bryan N.:

    I prefer these  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Design-House-2-1-8-in-x-1-3-4-in-Satin-Nickel-Standard-Hinge-Pin-Door-Stop-202390/203447332

    I started using those, but found if someone pushes the door too hard it damages the door or jam trim.  The wall plates can take a beating.  I paint right over them.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
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    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Rick L.:

    When buying a Glacier Bay or cheap toilet, what does everyone replace the "guts" with to harden the toilet (please provide Home Depot link)???

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluidmaster-Fill-Valve-...

    i do that if i dont give them new toilets

     Answer is don't buy a Glacier Bay. For slightly more an AS Cadet 3 1.3L is an amazing toilet. HD had them on sale recently for $99. Secret is a 3" diameter flush valve.

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Rick L.:

    When buying a Glacier Bay or cheap toilet, what does everyone replace the "guts" with to harden the toilet (please provide Home Depot link)???

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluidmaster-Fill-Valve-...

    i do that if i dont give them new toilets

     When we do put new toilets in units we use a UHET which does not have a flapper ... eliminating the most common leaky toilet cause.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    I buy toto toilets for around 200. 

  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    11y

    Hey @Roy N., any idea on a US equivalent?  Thanks!

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Deborah Burian:

    Hey @Roy N., any idea on a US equivalent?  Thanks!

     Deborah:

    They are sold in the U.S.A. as well ... {At one point, HD was reselling one of the Niagara Conservation models rebranded as their own}.  In Oklahoma, they are carried by Morrison Supply, Wilmar Barnett, and HD Supply Maintenance Solutions.   A complete list of U.S.A. distributors can be found here.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
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    Does anyone use powerflush toilets? A plumber was talking that up saying he had clients that put them in rentals and had no issues with clogged toilets anymore.

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Ed L.:

    Plan on installing LED bulbs in most of the fixtures from here on out.  They never go out and will hopefully prevent the tenant from messing with the fixtures.  

    Go one better ... install LED fixtures w/o bulbs ... they are rated to last 20 years and they tenants cannot "borrow" the bulbs.  {we have several student rentals)

    ... and under the laundry and {perhaps even} dishwasher while you are at it ;-)  

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Kimberly H.:

    Does anyone use powerflush toilets? A plumber was talking that up saying he had clients that put them in rentals and had no issues with clogged toilets anymore.

     Stay far away!  Got a Gerber one for my home, not only was it so loud it scared the crap out of my small kids, but it didn't do as good a job as the Cadet 3. Including the 2 in my home I've installed 14, and have never had a problem.  I feel like I should post a video of it flushing for those used to 1st gen low flows that weren't properly designed.  I just replaced my last one and was shocked at how long that thing took to flush. The Cadet 3 flushes with a soft woosh and is done, as fast as a commercial tankless toilet.

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