Am I liable for damages after the house has been sold?

Am I liable for damages after the house has been sold?

Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Spring of 2017 I had two bathrooms for a single story rental (in CA) remodeled. Changed out the tub, shower head, piping, valve, lights, toilet, sink/cabinet -cosmetic update. The person I hired to do the work said everything was working properly and there were no leaks for a few days. So they went ahead and put up the sheet rock walls and tile, paint and finished the bathrooms. The house was vacant for 5 months or so. The house was sold in October 2017.

Last month (March 2018), the new owner reached out to my agent and said that the workmanship of the remodel was crappy and caused the leak behind the walls, and created mold to grow. They said they have been dealing with the issue since January and just now reaching out to me (two weeks ago).  I had no knowledge there was a leak or any mold in the house prior to selling the house. I disclosed the bathrooms were remodeled. (The house was rented out for 7 years prior without any issues.)

The new owners said they are giving me a chance to make things right. My agent asked me to put myself in the new owners shoes and advised that I consider helping out with damage costs and come up with agreement that I am not responsible for any future liabilities at that house. I do not feel I am liable for the damages at all. If I help out, even if it is only $1 or $2k doesn't that admit I am at fault? Am I liable because I hired the contractor that didn't have a contractor's license? Please advise what my options are to make it right for them.

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Mike CumbieBusiness Member
REALTOR® · Brockport, NY · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
8y

Disclaimer: I am not licensed in your state and my recommendation would be to consult an attorney who specializes in Real Estate law in your state.

That being said. How does "No" sound? For all you know they were taking showers with no fan and mold started to grow. If you disclosed any issues you knew about in good faith then I can't see how in the world you are liable for their house 7 months after you sold it. They had a due diligence period and if you were not "hiding" anything. Now if you knew there was an issue then get out your checkbook. I am sure someone at some time offered them a home warranty which they politely refused. 

Just my 2 cents and good luck! I am fairly certain that it is buyer beware (Although I don't know California). I have had clients come up with all sorts of stuff days after closing and my answer has always been the same. That's why you have a due diligence period. 

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  • Contractor · Greenfield, MA · Member since 2017 · 107 posts · 99 votes
    8y
    Did you hire the unlicensed contractor knowing they were unlicensed or did they misrepresent themselves? Either way I agree with the realtor... if someone says they remodeled I would expect it to be done competently. I would want to see the permits too so I guess that's their bad for trusting people. If by hiring unlicensed people you were hoping to save some money then I guess you know now that it's not a good idea plus ends up costing more. I don't know what legal recourse they have but ethically I'd want to make it right. I'd also be careful as to what you disclose online as far as your knowledge of the unlicensed work. anyway, good luck with it.
  • Real Estate Agent · Villa Rica, GA · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 28 votes
    8y
    @Virginia Hellen they are complaining about a house they bought 5 months ago? That is a very long time, anything can happen in 5 months. As a seller you are absolutely not responsible. I assume during their purchase they had their chance for a home inspection and they also inspected themselves. It is totally on them at this point, welcome to home ownership.
  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    I would pay the 1k and get an attorney document saying you’re not liable for anything else and have your agent also tell them that so they don’t contact you in the future
  • Rental Property Investor · Maryville, TN · Member since 2009 · 529 posts · 414 votes
    8y

    there is a leak and now mold.... pay me? they are going to have to do a lot better than that, exactly where is the leak from, a soldered connection,? was that actually part of the work done? needs to be documented by them specifically if you want to consider a payment, and never as admission to anything but only as a component of good will. 

    The other thing is when did the leak start? no one can say, and licensed contractor or not I doubt you will get a warranty from anyone past 30 days.

  • Hazelwood, MO · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 21 votes
    8y

    @Virginia H.  Be careful about paying because it might make you look guilty. Real estate agents are not lawyers. You might need to talk to a lawyer if they insist on you paying.

    I actually argued this point a long time ago about people who flip houses. A lot of times the houses are over 50 years old, so the plumbing doesn't have much life, but no one wants to replace something that is working especially since it will cost alot to replace all the old plumbing in the house. So if you do remodel it and it does leak, then you have tear all the work you did.

    Maybe tell them that their real estate agent and the house inspector should chip in, since they all made money off the deal lol. I know it sucks but its just life.

  • Mike CumbieBusiness Member
    REALTOR® · Brockport, NY · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    Disclaimer: I am not licensed in your state and my recommendation would be to consult an attorney who specializes in Real Estate law in your state.

    That being said. How does "No" sound? For all you know they were taking showers with no fan and mold started to grow. If you disclosed any issues you knew about in good faith then I can't see how in the world you are liable for their house 7 months after you sold it. They had a due diligence period and if you were not "hiding" anything. Now if you knew there was an issue then get out your checkbook. I am sure someone at some time offered them a home warranty which they politely refused. 

    Just my 2 cents and good luck! I am fairly certain that it is buyer beware (Although I don't know California). I have had clients come up with all sorts of stuff days after closing and my answer has always been the same. That's why you have a due diligence period. 

  • San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Virginia H. Five months is a long time for anything to happen...even a small leak. After a home closes, you're not responsible for anything that happens to the home that you did not know before. Including leaks. This leak could have started after closing. And for five months? They should have taken the steps necessary to fix it. Not leave it unattended. Like @Mike Cumbie said, I'd consult with an attorney before you do anything. Good luck!! 

  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y

    Tell the agent , sorry . This is part of home ownership 

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    8y

    Did they do an inspection? If they did, and there was no leak then, then that tells me this leak occured after that inspection.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    if you're gonna pay them something have an attorney write up a formal "release"

    it will say that you are not admitting fault and they can never hold you responsible again for these problems or any other problems related to this property.

    negotiate them down as much as possible because if you messed up at all on the sellers disclosure you could get hammered, and nobody wants to go to court over a few bucks anyway.

    the release will protect you against any future claims! I just signed one myself (as the buyer pursuing damages against the seller). PM me and I will share it with you.

  • Malibu, CA · Member since 2018 · 77 posts · 32 votes
    8y

    @Virginia H.You need to talk to a lawyer. 

    Things like this can get ugly, especially in CA. I would not take any chances. 

    Not sure what you told the buyers.... but If you disclosed to the buyers that the work was done by a licensed contractor, and it wasn't....you could be in trouble. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2014 · 236 posts · 328 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

    Did they do an inspection? If they did, and there was no leak then, then that tells me this leak occured after that inspection.

    /\ THIS!!!  X 1000

    How much are they asking you to pay?  I would counter it with "$0.00".  And say "that's my final offer." 

  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Did you give them a signed warranty on the house? .....NO.....so they can go pound sand.

    If they want to go after someone they can call up their inspector or the guy that did the work..... you have no liability for this at all.

    If you want to pay them to go away, then go ahead....but make sure you get an iron clad release signed

  • Investor · Taylor Mill, KY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 964 votes
    8y

    @Virginia H. Homes come with work, that is not your problem. I wouldn't pay anything

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