Newbie from Dallas, TX - buy a duplex or a fourplex?

Newbie from Dallas, TX - buy a duplex or a fourplex?

Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 4 votes

Wanted to post this to introduce myself and run my logic past people who have more experience than me.

Feel like I don't know what I don't know yet so it would be good to see holes poked in my logic here:

Hi everyone! I'm a newbie real estate investor and have been living in the far north Dallas area (Carrollton) for the past 3 years. 4 years ago, my wife (then girlfriend) and I moved to Dallas for work and 3 years ago, we bought a new condo with 5% down as first time home buyers. We didn't know anything or really consider anything about it from an investing perspective. We just knew it was new, and a condo, so we wanted minimal headache and upkeep at the time. Monthly payment including HOA is around $1550.

Flash forward to 2018 and we are very grateful to have discovered biggerpockets and have really jumped into learning about real estate investing and all the possible strategies available to us.  Really excited to learn and absorb as much as possible here as well as connect with like minded people.  I'm really grateful we have discovered this community in our 20s because it opened our eyes to all the creative ways to both gain wealth as well as passive income in real estate.

We came to the conclusion that a great first move for us as real estate investors would be to house hack. Luckily, our condo has appreciated about 25% in these 3 years. Also, we routinely overpaid on the principal because we weren't thinking of doing anything else with our money at the time, and before we decided to house hack, we made a sizable principal payment in order to get a larger HELOC to use for investing purposes. We changed our minds and decided to go for the house hack first and to sell our place since the equity would be better used elsewhere and plus since we could only get an 80% LTV on a HELOC, we'd rather pull out 100% of our equity in the condo towards buying a place to live in.

The intended goals for the house hack:

- minimize our monthly payment out of pocket so that we are effectively reducing our own living expenses as compared to living in our condo now.   Rather than focusing on positive cash flow off the bat, we want to first minimize our monthly expense.  If we move out of the place we house hack, it will cash flow.  The low monthly payment also protects us in case of hardship.  I figure we should cover ourselves in the worst case scenario that if the sky falls, at least our place is nearly free to live in.    

- gain equity through loan paydown and hopefully appreciation and be able to use that equity later to help with future purchases/rehabs whether we want to flip or to BRRRR and whether we want to focus on long term renters or airbnb, the more equity we gain on the primary residence, the more resources we will have to use through HELOCs or home equity loans.

- continue saving up as much as possible through our regular incomes

Now, since we are going with conventional financing and looking for homes to live in,  the two best opportunities we found are new duplexes in Buda, TX (through a company called Duplexes of Texas) and new fourplexes on the northeastern tip of San Antonio around a town called Live Oak (through Clark Realty).

Wholesalers would be out since we're using conventional financing.

For our primary residence we also continue to lean towards new constructions with a builder's warranty (this is an emotional aspect of the purchase, but we have not been able to get personally interested in any older duplexes/4plexes that are out there). Also based on what I'm finding on MLS, the new constructions in desirable areas are competitive on price and return with older properties needing upgrades if we're talking about areas we'd want to live in. It seems hard from both an investors perspective or a primary residence perspective to consider an older property with older appliances, HVAC, roof and needing cosmetic upgrades to be competitive with a brand new one of similar size when the prices and rents aren't that different.

Considering we live in the Dallas area and are considering a move to Austin and San Antonio, we would be making a bet on appreciation and not expecting to hit the 2% rule for cash flow or anything like that.  But by minimizing the monthly payment, we would be making it safer for us in the case of hardship and free up more money in the future.  

That takes us to the two options - a duplex for $370k or a 4plex for $565k.  Both would tie up a lot of money via a 25% down payment, but the fourplex would tie up a good amount more ($92k vs $141k).  

We would expect to gain equity faster through loan paydown and appreciation in the fourplex because it is more valuable to begin with and a larger loan.

After accounting for PITI, HOA, vacency, capex, property management, utilities, and maintenance, the 4plex would cost roughly $576 per month and the duplex would cost $1076 a month out of pocket in the first year (not accounting for yearly rent increases and expense increases). If we were to hypothetically rent out all the units on day 1, the 4plex would get about 3.2% cash on cash and the duplex would only get 1% cash on cash. But since its a turnkey property and if we're betting on appreciation and living there, the low potential cash on cash return seems OK.

So both options would tie up a lot of money but we're OK with that because of our savings rate, lowering our monthly expense, and a future HELOC to use.

The 4plex would be perhaps the largest and most valuable property we could get other people to pay for in effect.

We are leaning towards the 4plex, but also considering the extra cash it would tie up and if that cash put elsewhere could more than make up for the higher monthly payment , lower equity accumulation, lower tax savings of the duplex.  The duplex would be a little bit nicer to live in but we are willing to overlook that for a better investment in the 4plex.  

Also has anyone worked with either Duplexes of Texas or Clark Realty?  What was your experience with them?  

Please feel free to poke holes in my logic.  I'm sure there's quite a bit I'm missing here being a newbie at this.  

Thanks so much!  Really appreciate being able to connect and learn here.  

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Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 181 posts · 75 votes
8y

Duplexes of Texas have some great products, but there locations are in "bedroom communities" like Buda, Kyle, New Braunfels.  These are suburban extensions of Austin, but a huge commute.  With a ton of vacant land, I'm not sure if they will appreciate as quickly as inner city Austin.  

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  • Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    To follow up on this:

    Is there anything to consider in terms of appreciation potential for a duplex vs. a fourplex? Is there any evidence that a duplex appreciates more than a fourplex (and by extension, a SFH appreciates more than a duplex)?

  • Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 181 posts · 75 votes
    8y

    Duplexes of Texas have some great products, but there locations are in "bedroom communities" like Buda, Kyle, New Braunfels.  These are suburban extensions of Austin, but a huge commute.  With a ton of vacant land, I'm not sure if they will appreciate as quickly as inner city Austin.  

  • Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Thank you @Carrie Hiner!  Appreciate your insight on Buda.  

    Do you have an opinion on fourplex vs duplex for appreciation rates, lets assume same location?  

  • Real Estate Agent · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 432 posts · 341 votes
    8y

    @Andrey Grebenetsky why are you interested in house hacking and putting 25% down? Why not take a hit on the cash flow and put down 3.5%-5% on a primary MFH and use the rest to invest into a true rental property? I’m all about leveraging others cash to create cash for yourself - and by putting all your cash into your PRIMARY wouldnt be the way I’d choose to go. I can see you trying to get a lower mortgage payment but it’s just putting a lot into one single house - but I also disagree on buying brand new properties as well (although you seem more keen on these). 

    @Account Closed I'm not sure if there's any true research shown but I'd put a huge bet that duplexes appreciate/hold value better than 4-plexes in the DFW area IMO. 4-plexes tend to be of a lower class / income level than a duplex. However, a SFH absolutely appreciates more than a duplex though - for sure.

  • Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    @Kenneth McKeown first off, I really appreciate your feedback and perspective on this.

    On why 25% down, for the two brand new property options, we ran the numbers for FHA 3.5% down and 25% down and the monthly payment just wasn't looking attractive for 3.5% down.

    Two of our top goals/requirements for this purchase would be to use house hacking to minimize our monthly payment relative to what it is now in our condo and at the end of the day, we want to live there. We weren't finding anything that made both financial sense with an FHA loan and was a desirable primary residence. Appreciation potential would be the 3rd most important.

    Although, we did just find a new listing for a fourplex from 1982 in South Austin that we liked. Rents could definitely be brought up to market with a little work. That one makes sense as far as the monthly payment with an FHA loan and we'd want to live there at least a year. So, yes, putting as little money down with an FHA loan and having a lot more capital available and still having a tiny monthly payment sounds amazing relative to buying brand new 25% down. These fourplex listings do seem rare though, so we're probably going to move on it asap.

    Do you disagree on buying brand new because you can't add much value to it, or for other reasons?

  • Real Estate Agent · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 432 posts · 341 votes
    8y

    @Andrey Grebenetsky makes sense! Buying new right now - you're already buying at such a premium. Yes there will be no capex which is great and sure everyone wants to live in something nice and new but at the end of the day the only reason you may be cash flowing ANY $$ at the end of the day is because you're putting $100k+ into it. Meanwhile, and again this is just me personally, I could buy two rentals and a primary with that $100k and be cash flowing tremendously on each with THREE properties appreciating, THREE properties with loans being paid down, THREE properties to be taking cash out of in 5 years because of the better appreciation in SFH than MFH. I could go on and on but yeah - just my mindset. Lol but I tell people all the time - everyone's different in their goals and different in what they wanna do. So find what works for you and run with it!

  • Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 485 posts · 384 votes
    8y
    Andrey Grebenetsky first off: great that you guys are wrapping your heads around real estate! I’d go for the four-plex if that’s the only choice given. But the more units, the better the game gets in all facets of the equation. If you can live in your property at first, for a while great, there’s lots to learn. But there’s a bigger future and fortunes to be made in not being your own property manager or landlord. Use the least amount possible of your own money to increase the leverage factor. Start thinking about private equity investors for scale. Finding properties that need some TLC makes for the highest equity gain through forced appreciation and increased rents. Your property’s value is ultimately based on your NOI. Don’t focus on appreciation, it’s icing on the cake. Focus on cashflow. After while you could also consider investing with a multifamily real estate syndicator, have no extra work and less worries, and make something like 9% CoC and 15% IRR as an example. $50k - $100k can get you started with most. Some only accept accredited investors some also accept non-accredited but sophisticated investors for their deals. Food for thought ;-)
  • Real Estate Investor · Flower Mound, TX · Member since 2014 · 59 posts · 31 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Andrey Grebenetsky:

    Thank you @Carrie Hiner!  Appreciate your insight on Buda.  

    Do you have an opinion on fourplex vs duplex for appreciation rates, lets assume same location?  

    I'm going to make an educated guess that SFR will appreciate better than multifamily options, simply b/c your pool of buyers is exponentially higher and access to funding for buyers is significantly greater. You are limited in buyers for duplexes (on a relative basis), and you are quite significantly impaired on buyers for quads (relative to both SFR and duplexes) due to both your pool of buyers (mainly investors) and access to financing.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Hi everyone! I am actually the wife here. :) Thank you all for your perspectives! There's a lot of good information here.

    It seems like there's a consensus that freeing up cash ASAP is important for financing the next properties... which would be pure investment properties. I definitely get that thinking.

    We are still thinking in terms of a primary residence though. I think that we see it as a mix of both an investment property and a primary residence, hence the decision to put 25% down. If we put down 3.5% on a quad and go with an FHA and then decide to move out and rent all 4 units after a year, I imagine this means we'd then have to refinance? Or would we be able to keep the FHA loan for that?

    I guess we will see if we can get our hands on that weathered 4plex instead, which has some room to add value and force appreciation. If we go FHA on that, we have some cash to do some renovations on it as well as to finance the next investment property.

    It's interesting that there seems to be a general dislike of quads based on the comments here - limited buyers and limited appreciation. Quads are also more expensive than SFHs or duplexes, so purchasing one to live in does tie up more cash. I think that multi-family properties have been drilled into my head from a lot of the content on BP, so maybe I should start to think outside the box here if we're looking at both cash flow and appreciation opportunities.

    So I guess it makes sense to measure cash-flow of an entire property instead of maximizing the # of doors we have. By this logic, it may make more sense to purchase several cheap SFHs to fix up and rent out if the total cash flow > total cash flow of the 4plex.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    I would be careful of buying a negative cash flowing property as your first deal. You’re essentially gambling. We’re 9 years into an expansion cycle. The market could go up another 5 years, or could correct next year or anything in between. Who knows. My point is if something costs you 1k per month and the market dives you’re gonna be in for a world of hurt. Typically people who do this sort of thing are high earner/ high net worth people who already have substantial portfolios. Also what are the property taxes on a 500k quad? I’m guessing it’s a lot. Personally what I would do is sell the condo take the 500k in capital gains (the limit) and go buy rentals either in a neighboring state or somewhere in Texas it makes sense (probably not DFW or Austin). Then go buy a primary with 5 percent down or FHA. You get cash flow from rentals and appreciation from your primary and maybe the rentals too. I rent where I live and own rentals. My combined return on “cheap” (compared to what you’re likely paying) is exceeding 20 percent (this includes cash flow, appreciation and loan paydown). You get that over the course of years on say 10 rentals you’ll be a millionaire and you won’t even realize it
  • Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 181 posts · 75 votes
    8y

    @Andrey Grebenetsky There isn't much multi-family units in Buda.  The "Duplexes of Texas" builder has been the only fundamental driver in Buda.  If you want a fourplex, you might have to go into Austin.  Round Rock and Pflugerville (suburbs to the North) is also good spot for duplexes.  As far as appreciation, they seem to have similar responses: appreciation is based on location demand and achieved rents.  Since duplexes and quads are investment products, their prices do not move based on general market demand like a single family.  Sales prices tend to increase when rents increase.  Good luck! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 361 posts · 394 votes
    8y

    The primary benefit of a house hack is to take advantage of the smaller down payment available, to increase CoC return. The sacrifice is, of course, your quality of life. If you're looking at 25% down on the house hack, why bother? Why not buy a SFR for yourself, with 20% down, and then use the rest of your equity for another investment property at 25% down? At the end of the day, the math is the same, no matter how many properties are involved in the equation.

    As far as duplexes vs. quads, the appreciation will be very similar. As Carrie has said, they are both investment products. With a quad you will typically see a slightly higher return, but will deal with a slightly lower quality of tenant. As you have pointed out, the living situation is typically a little better in a duplex.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Hi all,

    Thank you for grilling us on the 20-25% down payment on the house hack logic... It could definitely make sense to use the FHA since it is such a low down payment and frees up cash for other investment activities. We were thinking more in terms of the higher monthly payment and how it would be harder to cash flow the house hack if we were to eventually move out. On the higher cost properties (brand new duplexes and 4plex), it can't possibly cash flow on an FHA monthly payment with PMI even if we rented out all the units... so this has made us rethink our own biases, which has been great!

    Question I have is - if we were to house hack the older 4plex using an FHA loan with a 3.5% down payment, what would happen if we moved out a year or 2 later and the equity in the home isn't yet 20%? Would we have to refinance the 4plex since it is no longer our primary residence under the FHA loan?

  • Realtor · Murrieta, CA · Member since 2016 · 373 posts · 203 votes
    8y

    @Andrey Grebenetsky

    @Caleb Heimsoth has some really good info up here, always be weary of buying or "betting" on appreciation... 

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    Congratulations on beginning your journey. The duplex would only yield one tenant and the 4 plex 3 of them. Cost per door is much higher in the duplex. Yeah you need more downpayment; but which one cash flows better? What are the rents? I would avoid the HOA if at all possible. My experience has been they are monopolized by the board, inflexible, and surprisingly corrupt. It is good to include property management in your calculations but with only a few units and you living there, you might as well jump into the deep end. Join a landlord's association and hang out here as long as you screen diligently and do some basic maintenance PM is not that hard for a few units; and if it becomes overwhelming then turn it over.

    Watch your finances and commitments; running short can turn all this into a very nasty business filled with stress.

    Hire a CPA! All the best and keep us posted.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed. Reference Your Question:

    Question I have is - if we were to house hack the older 4plex using an FHA loan with a 3.5% down payment, what would happen if we moved out a year or 2 later and the equity in the home isn't yet 20%? Would we have to refinance the 4plex since it is no longer our primary residence under the FHA loan?

    RESPONSE: NO! At Closing you Sign a Statement saying you intend to OCCUPY the property as your PRIMARY RESIDENCE. There is NO "Hard and Fast" Answer as to how long you have to live in the property to satisfy the Primary Occupancy Criteria. Most Accountants and Tax Advisors say if you live there for 1-2 years you have satisfied the Intent of the law. You DO NOT have to have 20% Equity or Refinance to a 20% Equity position to be able to move out and rent the unit you occupied, and your FHA Loan stays in place.

  • Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Thanks to everyone for the advice!  I knew there must have been a bunch of pick apart in my reasoning.  A lot of people basically saying the same thing - for that same down payment we would have put on a brand new 4plex, we could just get a primary and a few investment properties and it would end up the same or better in terms of total cash flow and we'd then have multiple properties, not just one.  In my logic, I didn't realize that the view on cash flow and cash on cash doesn't have to be limited to 1 property at a time.

    @Kenneth McKeown what you're saying makes perfect sense.  You're right, our goals for this initial move of minimizing our "monthly payment" on our primary could just as easily be accomplished with something like a 3.5% fha loan on a primary and having a lot left over for true investment properties.  The cash flow from the investment properties would offset the primary and effectively be about the same added up.  Sounds better than house hacking if there's concerns over living in an older fourplex (place too small, tenant relations, etc).  I have concerns over living right next to my own tenants because I'm sure oftentimes what would be business for me would be personal for them in terms of raising rents, evictions, needing them to vacate so we can do renovations.  

    @Ken Breeze Thanks! There's quite a lot to wrap our heads around but its fascinating.  We don't want to self-property manage for that very reason.  We don't fit the definition of accredited investors yet but we'll get there in a few years.  Those returns make sense considering the deals don't require much work on our end, but we're definitely interested in hustling and finding some beat up properties where we can add value.  

    @Sam Elder that makes sense, thanks!  In spite of the more limited pool of buyers for quads, it sure seems like there's a ton of investors out in Texas right now based on how everything we're looking at is getting multiple offers.

    @Caleb Heimsoth @Kris Wong Good advice for sure. Since it would only be cash flowing because we put a lot down, it's not worth it. The property taxes on the 565k quad were $1050 a month. What you're suggesting is probably what we're going to do. We're putting out several offers on 4plexes in Austin to see if any stick, but considering theres lots of cash investors in this market, our FHA offer probably isn't too competitive. So, if that doesn't work, we'd pretty much do what you're suggesting.

    @Travis Rasmussen For sure.  The appreciation should be considered icing on the cake on a multi-fam.

    @Bjorn Ahlblad Thanks! Would you try to avoid an HOA in all cases? If the HOA is minimal (such as $30 monthly for a SFH and covers things like access to amenities) do those still tend to be a nuisance?

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    Andrey if there is an HOA you should read the bylaws to ascertain how they might restrict your business dealings, or how these bylaws may change in the future! Believe me HOA's can be much more of a nuisance than just ants at a picnic when it comes to land lording. Do you want to have some board get between you and the tenant, or have an HOA superseding your business decision? Always read the by laws, HOA's are generally not there just to cut the grass.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 745 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Andrey Grebenetsky:

    Wanted to post this to introduce myself and run my logic past people who have more experience than me.

    Feel like I don't know what I don't know yet so it would be good to see holes poked in my logic here:

    Hi everyone! I'm a newbie real estate investor and have been living in the far north Dallas area (Carrollton) for the past 3 years. 4 years ago, my wife (then girlfriend) and I moved to Dallas for work and 3 years ago, we bought a new condo with 5% down as first time home buyers. We didn't know anything or really consider anything about it from an investing perspective. We just knew it was new, and a condo, so we wanted minimal headache and upkeep at the time. Monthly payment including HOA is around $1550.

    Flash forward to 2018 and we are very grateful to have discovered biggerpockets and have really jumped into learning about real estate investing and all the possible strategies available to us.  Really excited to learn and absorb as much as possible here as well as connect with like minded people.  I'm really grateful we have discovered this community in our 20s because it opened our eyes to all the creative ways to both gain wealth as well as passive income in real estate.

    We came to the conclusion that a great first move for us as real estate investors would be to house hack. Luckily, our condo has appreciated about 25% in these 3 years. Also, we routinely overpaid on the principal because we weren't thinking of doing anything else with our money at the time, and before we decided to house hack, we made a sizable principal payment in order to get a larger HELOC to use for investing purposes. We changed our minds and decided to go for the house hack first and to sell our place since the equity would be better used elsewhere and plus since we could only get an 80% LTV on a HELOC, we'd rather pull out 100% of our equity in the condo towards buying a place to live in.

    The intended goals for the house hack:

    - minimize our monthly payment out of pocket so that we are effectively reducing our own living expenses as compared to living in our condo now.   Rather than focusing on positive cash flow off the bat, we want to first minimize our monthly expense.  If we move out of the place we house hack, it will cash flow.  The low monthly payment also protects us in case of hardship.  I figure we should cover ourselves in the worst case scenario that if the sky falls, at least our place is nearly free to live in.    

    - gain equity through loan paydown and hopefully appreciation and be able to use that equity later to help with future purchases/rehabs whether we want to flip or to BRRRR and whether we want to focus on long term renters or airbnb, the more equity we gain on the primary residence, the more resources we will have to use through HELOCs or home equity loans.

    - continue saving up as much as possible through our regular incomes

    Now, since we are going with conventional financing and looking for homes to live in,  the two best opportunities we found are new duplexes in Buda, TX (through a company called Duplexes of Texas) and new fourplexes on the northeastern tip of San Antonio around a town called Live Oak (through Clark Realty).

    Wholesalers would be out since we're using conventional financing.

    For our primary residence we also continue to lean towards new constructions with a builder's warranty (this is an emotional aspect of the purchase, but we have not been able to get personally interested in any older duplexes/4plexes that are out there). Also based on what I'm finding on MLS, the new constructions in desirable areas are competitive on price and return with older properties needing upgrades if we're talking about areas we'd want to live in. It seems hard from both an investors perspective or a primary residence perspective to consider an older property with older appliances, HVAC, roof and needing cosmetic upgrades to be competitive with a brand new one of similar size when the prices and rents aren't that different.

    Considering we live in the Dallas area and are considering a move to Austin and San Antonio, we would be making a bet on appreciation and not expecting to hit the 2% rule for cash flow or anything like that.  But by minimizing the monthly payment, we would be making it safer for us in the case of hardship and free up more money in the future.  

    That takes us to the two options - a duplex for $370k or a 4plex for $565k.  Both would tie up a lot of money via a 25% down payment, but the fourplex would tie up a good amount more ($92k vs $141k).  

    We would expect to gain equity faster through loan paydown and appreciation in the fourplex because it is more valuable to begin with and a larger loan.

    After accounting for PITI, HOA, vacency, capex, property management, utilities, and maintenance, the 4plex would cost roughly $576 per month and the duplex would cost $1076 a month out of pocket in the first year (not accounting for yearly rent increases and expense increases). If we were to hypothetically rent out all the units on day 1, the 4plex would get about 3.2% cash on cash and the duplex would only get 1% cash on cash. But since its a turnkey property and if we're betting on appreciation and living there, the low potential cash on cash return seems OK.

    So both options would tie up a lot of money but we're OK with that because of our savings rate, lowering our monthly expense, and a future HELOC to use.

    The 4plex would be perhaps the largest and most valuable property we could get other people to pay for in effect.

    We are leaning towards the 4plex, but also considering the extra cash it would tie up and if that cash put elsewhere could more than make up for the higher monthly payment , lower equity accumulation, lower tax savings of the duplex.  The duplex would be a little bit nicer to live in but we are willing to overlook that for a better investment in the 4plex.  

    Also has anyone worked with either Duplexes of Texas or Clark Realty?  What was your experience with them?  

    Please feel free to poke holes in my logic.  I'm sure there's quite a bit I'm missing here being a newbie at this.  

    Thanks so much!  Really appreciate being able to connect and learn here.  

    I am a little unclear if your numbers include you living there or as a stand alone investment.  On a house hack, calculate the returns as though you are not living there.  IE what would the duplex numbers look like with only renters.

    Now, think of what you would spend on a SFH, what would your payment be? Would your duplex (or quad), payment end up being about what the duplex would run?

    If nothing else if you are buying a house to live in and you have a manageable payment, then ANYTHING you get from a tenant is gravy.

    I think this is a good way to start into real estate. For instance if you end up hating being a landlord, and you cant sell the place, you can just continue to live there like a SFH. There are options.

    We personally have done house hacking several times, and the best part of it is that if you are buying within your means that your risk is much lower, because you have the ability to live in the property and wait for the value and/or rents to go up.

  • Retirement Accounts Attorney · Southfield, MI · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Andrey Grebenetsky

    Welcome to Bigger Pockets.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    8y

    Welcome to the site @Andrey Grebenetsky

    Fourplexes are my all time favorite property. You get the best of both worlds. Maximum rent while still qualifying for a 30 year mortgage. Can't beat it.

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