Huntsville Alabama Path of Progress

Huntsville Alabama Path of Progress

Lender · Milpitas, CA · Member since 2016 · 376 posts · 248 votes

Good Morning Everyone,

I'm interested in purchasing property in the Huntsville Metro. The area looks safe and rent/price ratio is fantastic. Does anyone know where the path of progress is heading in Huntsville and who the major employers are? Are there plans for more jobs/growth in the area?

Thanks

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Madison, AL · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 21 votes
8y

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@Gorden Lopes Hey, that data center may indeed be headed into that area but I assure you that 100 jobs are not going to turn around that neighborhood, plus Toyota Mazda is so far away it is likely to have no bearing on it for this community versus other opportunities like the other nearby Toyota plant. The two largest problem areas in Huntsville proper are where Memorial Parkway and I-565 meet, and 35810. This is where the vast majority of SFH with lower class neighborhoods exist, and where you can find duplexes if you have your heart set on them, plenty of rehabs, Cummings Research park largely acts as the dividing line between this working class area and Madison where so many engineers live. That being said everyone here seems to be chiming in about the future as to what will happen but I would rather point towards the past.

Huntsville has never come out from under it's desegregation order the courts put onto it's school system, which it has tried to escape for decades. Why is this so difficult? It's being a victim of your own success, the downtown and 35810 areas are the old sections of town, but not historical like 5 points. Each section of the old building booms are there. Every time that a new school would be built you would have white flight away from the previous boom, leaving only African Americans in the old school zone, and then property prices and quality of life take a hit. To be blunt they can't build the schools fast enough to accommodate the desegregation order before the whites flee again. With that you should keep in mind that even though Huntsville does well (because it is so driven to expand geographically, it is actually the largest in the state by square mileage of city limits and only getting bigger and encircles Madison) that this does not mean your area will continue to. Literally every area before almost that was prosperous and the hot new thing before passes by rather quickly since there is such a continuous building of new neighborhoods outward that attract the higher incomes. I would give areas like Madison and South Huntsville a couple more decades tops, after that the interesting places will be like the riverside community of Triana.

Fun fact! Triana is the only majority black community in Madison County, and is also where the highest levels of the poison DDT were ever recorded in humans. This was because it was downstream from the Arsenal where they manufactured it, and the locals were a fishing village. I mention this because this area has never been through the boom and bust cycle, there are only a few hundred people living there, it is prime riverfront property, in comfortable commute distance to the Arsenal, and they send their kids to the good local school system, Madison, through an agreement between the municipalities. Some might argue they expect the most growth to go either North, West, or East but my bet would be to the South and Southwest after this cycle finishes up. Triana simply has the educational credentials, distance to employment, and the area is cheap, and though the Triana locals remember the crisis from 40-50 years ago, Huntsville residents do not. 

A very, very vast majority people who live in Huntsville, are not from Huntsville originally, nor have deep familial ties here. I do, and that connection did real estate for 3 decades, and did well I add. Huntsville, is nowhere near a normal market, it is absolutely a fantastic one, and one that has been getting far more notice lately for large out of state REI's.

Some of those qualities have already been mentioned but to be blunt again the economy is not only driven by Government spending, but is also in continuous growth due to it. We haven't felt real pain from a recession since the 1970's when the Moon Mission finished up. That is the nature of the beast, it seems like it is perpetually expanding until the rug gets pulled out from under you. Same as anywhere but it's much more seldom and hits far harder when it occurs. This may be lessened now however, I base that off of the fact that Huntsville has diversified a bit now as not just a cog in the military industrial complex but also an industrial and tech center in it's own right, and just over the past year we had over 300% tech job growth.

The dynamic you have at play with the constantly shifting population is a strong reason why I advocate to people that while Madison is certainly doing well now, it only really started to do so with a combination of BRAC and the creation of their own well funded school system 2-3 decades ago. Lately what I've noticed is crime rates growing up as well in Madison, a lack of investment in expanding roads, a decision to build a costly stadium instead of addressing the cost of their breakneck pace of population growth. In Huntsville traffic is a breeze compared to any nearby major metro area, Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, you name it. But in Madison that quality vanishes in rush hour, but of course this is true too for places like Harvest or Hazel Green as well. 

Final weird note is the environment, Huntsville lies in the middle of what is known as Dixie Alley, the only place in the word with more tornadoes than Tornado Alley, the most recent example of what kind of extent it can be was in 2011 when the city was shut down for a week straight with no utilities. They seem to occur every decade or so, the previous really big ones being in 1989 and 1974. Beyond that Huntsville lies in what's called the Tennessee Valley, and in this area of it the Native Americans named it Death Valley due to springtime when the pollen gets trapped within it and coats absolutely everything, lakes turn yellow, and so do cars. People move here never having had allergies and develop them. 

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  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2018 · 76 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Samuel Garrett, I am looking for SFR, B&H and $60-120K. Flexible on price if I am getting 1%.

  • Rental Property Investor · Madison, AL · Member since 2018 · 60 posts · 33 votes
    6y

    @Viral Patel. Understood. I am sure your schedule maybe pretty full for your visit next week, but if you have time,I am more than happy to meet up and discuss further.

  • Attorney · Mobile Alabama · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 15 votes
    6y

    @Sean Pan Sean, I live on the gulf coast in Alabama. Baldwin County ( Fairhope, Daphne, Loxley and Spanish Fort are your best areas to buy single family. High rents and appreciation.

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2018 · 116 posts · 31 votes
    6y

    @Kevin R. what’s the price to rent ratio in those areas? 

  • Attorney · Mobile Alabama · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 15 votes
    6y

    @MoraClark    Mora,  I am not 100% sure on those figures.  The Broker I would  contact is JWRE -Powered by Jpar     Jason Will    or anyone on his team.   Please tell them I referred you. Thanks.  https://www.jasonwillrealestate.com/

  • Rental Property Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 30 votes
    6y

    @Justin B. Just wanted to reach out, we host a monthly meet up in Riverside, Ca and there’s a few Huntsville investors that attend and are very knowledgeable in that market. I will be posting the details soon but it will be on the 7th of March.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Fairhope, AL · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 13 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Mora Clark:

    @Kevin R. what’s the price to rent ratio in those areas? 

    You'll see closer to 1% in Baldwin County and 2% or close to it is obtainable in Mobile County.

  • Member since 2019 · 140 posts · 24 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Kevin R.:

    @Sean Pan Sean, I live on the gulf coast in Alabama. Baldwin County ( Fairhope, Daphne, Loxley and Spanish Fort are your best areas to buy single family. High rents and appreciation.

     Hey Kevin

    those places look like a low inventory (on markert) markets, no?

  • Attorney · Mobile Alabama · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 15 votes
    6y

    Yes. Homes sell quickly in Fairhope and Daphne ( appreciation and schools are highly rated).   You have to move quick and make a solid offer.    I live in Loxley, a semi rural community next to Daphne. Lots of new construction as the farmland gets bought up.  Good growth here since we are only about 25 miles from Mobile.   There are a lot of corporations relocating down here and driving new construction and sales.   As a bankruptcy attorney, I have not done a single bankruptcy case for a realtor since I moved here 5 years ago.  When I lived in Cleveland I had about 1 every month, for several years in a row.  

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2018 · 76 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Samuel Garrett, I dm you.

  • Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Hi. I live in DC/Maryland area and would love to chat with anyone about the Huntsville area. I've been researching it for the past year as a former resident to invest in my first SFR. Anyone in person gets a cup of coffee on me.

  • Real Estate Agent · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2020 · 23 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    Hi @Cobalt Blue. I live in the Huntsville Area and am an investor. I'd be happy to chat with you and tell you more about the area. I'm also an agent so I can provide you with MLS data for areas you're interested in.

  • Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Deborah McDonough @Samuel Garrett Do either of you happen to know who the top brokers and property managers focused on the 10-50 unit space are?

  • Member since 2021 · 61 posts · 36 votes
    5y

    @Anthony Ybarra Hi Anthony. Late response here but just closed on my first SFR in Madison and would love to join the meetup in Riverside if you guys are still doing it. Am based in OC.

  • Rental Property Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 30 votes
    5y

    @Jessie Kristie

    We are thinking to do one in another month or 2, I’ll be posting about it in the events when we do, congrats on the new property!

  • Investor · NY · Member since 2021 · 57 posts · 8 votes
    5y
    Hello Michael,

    I’m also an out of state investor looking into Huntsville. Would love to build my team there and the first team member would be agent. If you have recommended investor friendly agent, could you please point me a direction to reach out? Thanks!

    Originally posted by @Michael B.:
    Originally posted by @Greg Spring:

    Good Morning Everyone,

    My daughter is a student-athlete at UAH, she is a Sophomore, and I am considering purchasing a home near the campus and use it as a rental for her and 2 of her roommates. I also would like to eventually purchase a small multi-family, 4 plex, in Huntsville or the surrounding area. Can anyone recommend a local investor friendly bank in the Huntsville Area, to build a relationship?

    Thanks

  • Investor · NY · Member since 2021 · 57 posts · 8 votes
    5y
    Hello Kevin! I would be more than happy to have a further discussion with them. I’m an OOS investor new to AL. Looking for investor friendly realtor. I’d appreciate your help!

    Originally posted by @Kevin R.:

    @MoraClark    Mora,  I am not 100% sure on those figures.  The Broker I would  contact is JWRE -Powered by Jpar     Jason Will    or anyone on his team.   Please tell them I referred you. Thanks.  https://www.jasonwillrealestate.com/

  • Member since 2021 · 61 posts · 36 votes
    5y

    @Helena Wu Sent you DM

  • Investor · NY · Member since 2021 · 57 posts · 8 votes
    5y
    Hi Jacob,
    I saw that ur based in Tuscaloosa which is also a county having healthy population growth. What do you think about the MKT there?
    Originally posted by @Jacob A.:

    From an investing point of view, the city of Madison which is about 4 miles west of Huntsville is a growing area and they continue to build and add commercial properties and shopping centers in that area. 

  • Investor · NY · Member since 2021 · 57 posts · 8 votes
    5y
    Hi Greg,

    If you find a local REI group, could you please tag me or share with me? thanks much! 

    Originally posted by @Greg Spring:

    Thank you, Michael...I am trying to work Brandon's 7 year plan to 7 figures, and get started in Huntsville, but need to purchase a single family home near the campus this year. Do you know if Huntsville has a local REI group to meet local investors and network?

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