House Hacking - Financing Alternative to FHA

House Hacking - Financing Alternative to FHA

Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes

I was just listening to podcast #210, where a couple of different newbie investors shared their house hacking success stories. I wanted to share some knowledge in regards to financing a deal like this. Conventional mortgage guidelines require a down payment of at least 15% for a 2-4 unit property when buying as your primary residence. Due to the high down payment requirement, most house hackers will finance using FHA. The biggest drawback of FHA financing is that the PMI is for the life of the loan, not to mention there is a hefty 1.75% upfront mortgage insurance charged. There is a program through Freddie Mac however (conventional financing) called Home Possible. Utilizing this program buyers can put down 5% and since it is a conventional loan, the PMI will then go away once the balance of the loan is paid down to 78% loan-to-value. As long as the property is located in a 'targeted area', then there are no income restrictions on this program. Where I live, in the Chicago area, I've yet to come across a property that doesn't qualify. This is a great program for someone looking to house hack.

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Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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It is a great program!  Almost all my clients use it

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  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    9y

    It is a great program!  Almost all my clients use it

  • Lender · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 87 posts · 31 votes
    9y

    @Matthew Roder Home Possible and Home Ready are great programs! I've seen as little as 1% down for single family residence with 2% gifted by the lender, making it a 97% LTV loan. No PMI either!

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 438 posts · 193 votes
    9y

    Pretty much all of Chicago falls into a "no income limit" census tract, so most often these days 5% down on a 2-4unit primary residence is an option!

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 515 posts · 247 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Matthew Roder:

    I was just listening to podcast #210, where a couple of different newbie investors shared their house hacking success stories. I wanted to share some knowledge in regards to financing a deal like this. Conventional mortgage guidelines require a down payment of at least 15% for a 2-4 unit property when buying as your primary residence. Due to the high down payment requirement, most house hackers will finance using FHA. The biggest drawback of FHA financing is that the PMI is for the life of the loan, not to mention there is a hefty 1.75% upfront mortgage insurance charged. There is a program through Freddie Mac however (conventional financing) called Home Possible. Utilizing this program buyers can put down 5% and since it is a conventional loan, the PMI will then go away once the balance of the loan is paid down to 78% loan-to-value. As long as the property is located in a 'targeted area', then there are no income restrictions on this program. Where I live, in the Chicago area, I've yet to come across a property that doesn't qualify. This is a great program for someone looking to house hack.

     Is the program limited to first time home buyers?  

  • Jake ThompsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Albany, OR · Member since 2015 · 312 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    Thanks for the info! Do you know if they have a rehab version like the fha 203k loan?

  • Professional · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    9y
    Matthew Roder does Home Possible / Home Ready apply to 3 and 4 families? My discussions with lenders seem to indicate it is only available on duplexes. Also I assume it's possible for those who are not first time buyers so long as one can prove reasonably a motivation behind the move?
  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 191 posts · 165 votes
    9y
    Andrew Zimmermann Freddie Mac documentation makes it clear, 1-4 units are doable. http://www.freddiemac.com/learn/pdfs/mp/hp_glance.pdf
  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    One additional benefit to conventional financing that most people don't think about is that the inspections are much more forgiving. I've sold a house to a FHA buyer, and the inspector called out some flecking paint in the eves that were painted ~3 years ago ... the bank would not lend on FHA due to some flecking paint ... of course I remedied it since I got top dollar from FHA buyers. However, put the shoe on the other foot ... how would you get a good deal on a fixer with FHA if they won't even lend on a property with something as minor as pealing 3 yr old paint? The answer is likely that you can't, so you will likely have to pay a premium for turnkey ready with no sweat equity to force appreciation. This is not as much the case with 5% down conventional, with PMI that you can appraise out of and keep your historically low rate once you are done with your forced appreciation to boot. Only other sensible option would be FHA 203k or conventional renovator loan, but those are paper work intensive and very hard to get accepted and close on.

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes
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    Jeff Burdick no, the program is not limited to first time buyers. However, you cannot own another property at the time. So if you currently own an investment, or will be turning your current primary into a rental, it won't work.
  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes
    9y
    Andrew Zimmermann yes, you can finance a 3-4 unit with this product.
  • Professional · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Matthew Roder @Sung Park thanks. For some reason I think while doable, the underwriting on 3s and 4s is much tougher than 2s. Good to know its an option.

  • Justin SumulongPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    This is good to know! Gotta love BP!

    @Matthew Roder, what ways do you know of to get around the stipulation of not being able to currently own a property for Home Possible?  Currently, I own two rental/investment properties.  I'm looking to move them into an entity.  Would that work to get around it?  Or if not, would having the new property purchased under only my wife's name work?  She is not included in the other two investment properties.

  • Real Estate Agent · Willoughby, OH · Member since 2014 · 560 posts · 690 votes
    9y

    @Justin Sumulong the entity question is dabbing into waters that can land one in legal trouble. A solely owned entity is viewed as a pass through in court and would not work to avoid the rules of the loan program. Having the new property in your wife's name, however, sounds solid.

    With this product, I remember reading one of @Brie Schmidt 's posts in the past that the best thing to do is to use this loan option first, and then you can do an FHA on another multi afterwards. It does not work the other way around.

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    9y

    @Jeff Brower - you are correct, I think 90% of my clients last year used this program to buy 2-4 units as their first property (or sold their primary the day before so that at closing this would be their only property) Then after they do the occupancy requirement we start looking for a second and do a FHA loan

    @Justin Sumulong - If your wife isn't on the other properties she could use this program. I asked my lender who does these all the time and he said if the properties are in a LLC and not on your credit you would still be ineligible for the program

  • Justin SumulongPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    Awesome!  Thanks for the info @Jeff Brower & @Brie Schmidt!

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes
    9y

    @Justin Sumulong.....Yes, what they said :-)  @Jeff Brower and @Brie Schmidt

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes
    9y

    @Brie Schmidt I listed to both of your podcast episodes yesterday.  So awesome what you and your husband did in such a short time.  Very inspiring.  Thanks for sharing your experience.

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    9y

    @Matthew Roder - Thanks!

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 21 posts · 39 votes
    8y

    Hey @Matthew Roder, I'm also looking into the Home Possible program for a house hack. Do you know what the residency requirement is for this type of loan? One benefit of the FHA is that you are only required to occupy the property for a year, at which point you can move on.

    Does Home Possible have a similar requirement, or would one have to refi out of the loan when ready to move? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Bentonville, AR · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    @brie schmidt I am trying to decide between FHA or HomePossible for my first property as well, and it sounds like you recommend starting with HomePossible. Could you expound on why?

  • Rental Property Investor · Bentonville, AR · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    @Brie Schmidt sorry, it didn't link to your name in my original post ^

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Steven Young:

    @Brie Schmidt sorry, it didn't link to your name in my original post ^

    There is no upfront fee like with FHA. The PMI is lower. And it allows you to do FHA on the second, but if you start with FHA you cannot do the 5% ever because it is only for people who do not currently own property

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    @Steven Young If you are able to do conventional HomePossible or HomeReady, you can get into your first two properties for a combined 8.5% down (5% conventional, then 3.5% FHA). If you go FHA first, you'd likely need 18.5% down to get into the same two properties (3.5% FHA, then 15% owner occupied conventional).

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