BRRRR - Refinance now or wait until rents raised to market rate??

BRRRR - Refinance now or wait until rents raised to market rate??

Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes

It's a beautiful fall morning! The birds are singing, the sun is shining, the BRRRR of winter is not fully here yet ;) Or maybe it is?!?!

haaaaa....ok enough funny business down to business of this post. 

Ok, I have a property I just purchased a few months ago that I want some feedback on whether or not to refinance now or later.

Situation:

Property purchased 130k cash

$10,227 in repairs

"All in" cost so far $143,451 total including everything

Rents for $975 through 6/30/2020 

Cashflowing right now $730 if i include monthly property mgmt, insurance, and taxes

ARV after repair approx $180k

Rent will be raised to $1200-1300/month 7/1/2020

Once refinanced, will cashflow $220-250 depending on rates.

Cash on cash return between 27-63% depending on how things shake out on ARV(probably sounds crazy but this accounts for all in cost 143,451+closing cost to refi estimating 8,000-rental cashflow now until June 2020 5,840-refi cash out payment 138,000)

Questions I want to get some opinions on:

1. Should I let is cashflow at $730, with no mortgage until 6/30/2020 and just wait to refinance once rent is raised to appropriate market rates, or should I refinance now, and make literally no cashflow until 7/1?

2. If i refinance now, I would have my cash back and more, but is it really worth it?

3. I'd like to have the cash back to be able to redeploy the $, but is that smart?

4. Would you try to break the lease and give cash for keys?

5. How much cash would you offer?

6. Would it be smart or ethical to ask them to vacate for a payment this time of year?(my management company says keep tenant in place until lease is up)

7. Should I get appraisal done before lease is up so i can refi very quickly once new lease is in place?

8. Any other suggestions to make this deal better?

Curious to see what reactions and opinions i get!

Thanks BP. I hope to hear from you soon!

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      Rental Property Investor · Clarksville, TN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      6y

      @Andrew Lackey

      Refinance now. If you are moving the refi proceeds into your next project there is the opportunity cost to waiting 8 months to put your money to work again. I wouldn't mess around with cash for keys. Once you figure the additional projected rents less the month for turnover less cash payment to tenant, I think you'd decide it's not worth it either.

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      • Real Estate Broker · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 229 posts · 145 votes
        6y

        I would go ahead and get a loan estimate from a lender with your current situation, then ask them the impact if you waited to 7/1 with higher rents.  There are too many moving parts here to know if waiting would make a material impact.  However, I can tell you adequate debt-service coverage can lower the interest rates on certain loan products with certain lenders for certain borrowers, but it might not matter at all.  

        I don't see it being worth the effort or money to break the lease or do cash for keys just to make this refi happen, just ride it out until the lease expires.  Worst case, accept a higher interest rate if you want the cash out right now.  

        I don't see any value in getting an appraisal at this point.  Your lender most likely will require their own appraisal anyways.  

      • Rental Property Investor · Clarksville, TN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
        6y

        @Andrew Lackey

        Refinance now. If you are moving the refi proceeds into your next project there is the opportunity cost to waiting 8 months to put your money to work again. I wouldn't mess around with cash for keys. Once you figure the additional projected rents less the month for turnover less cash payment to tenant, I think you'd decide it's not worth it either.

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y
        Originally posted by @Nicholas LaGatta:

        I would go ahead and get a loan estimate from a lender with your current situation, then ask them the impact if you waited to 7/1 with higher rents.  There are too many moving parts here to know if waiting would make a material impact.  However, I can tell you adequate debt-service coverage can lower the interest rates on certain loan products with certain lenders for certain borrowers, but it might not matter at all.  

        I don't see it being worth the effort or money to break the lease or do cash for keys just to make this refi happen, just ride it out until the lease expires.  Worst case, accept a higher interest rate if you want the cash out right now.  

        I don't see any value in getting an appraisal at this point.  Your lender most likely will require their own appraisal anyways.  

         Thanks 

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y

        @Todd Rasmussen I'm thinking I might go ahead and check rates and see what it would be to go ahead and refi

      • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
        6y

        For what I would think is a $30-40K increase in value after renovations, it probably isn’t worth waiting. I’d probably just refi now, then renovate as tenants move out. Especially if you have decent tenants, there’s not a huge rush to get them out and renovate - then have to market again. A few hundred extra in rent is great, but you’re also talking thousands in renovation costs.

      • Rental Property Investor · Dover, DE · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 14 votes
        6y

        @Andrew Lackey

        Hey Andrew ,

        If it was me I would go ahead and start renting it out now, which would have the tenants paying down your mortgage then, when the time comes to refinance it, id get it refinanced.

        But it sounds like you found a good deal so congratulations on that!

      • Jaron WallingPro Member
        Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
        6y

        Complete the REFI now. Keep the money moving. If it's sitting it's not making anything. Inflation never sleeps. 

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y

        @Chance Brookins hey! It is rented now at 975 until July 2020. I’m still trying to figure out if I should refi ASAP or wait until new lease with higher rents in place.

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y

        @Jaron Walling thanks Jaron! I’m thinking I should because I have the money back for more projects. I’m a bootstrapper so cash is very important but I don’t “need” the money back immediately. I’m going to start getting refi ball rolling either was. Inflation never sleeps

        Is right!

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y

        @Andrew Lackey either way

      • Rental Property Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2008 · 168 posts · 105 votes
        6y

        Dave Ramsey NOT approved!

      • Rental Property Investor · Dover, DE · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 14 votes
        6y

        @Andrew Lackey

        Well I’d refi it then lol so you could go ahead and get started on the next project! 💪🏻💵

      • Mark F.Pro Member
        Rental Property Investor · Elgin, IL · Member since 2016 · 326 posts · 270 votes
        6y

        @Andrew Lackey since you paid cash for the property, do a delayed financing and get all the cash back you put out for the purchase and closing costs, at that point you will have only minimal amount of cash invested toward the renovations, your cash on cash return will be based on $10k you invested towards repairs. 

        The cash back numbers will be very similar (75% of $180K ARV is $135k) but your rates will be better since you are technically not doing a cash out refi.

        Just a thought.

        Mark

      • Real Estate Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
        6y

        @Adam M.i don’t get it

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