Question to wax ring in toilet installation

Question to wax ring in toilet installation

Durham, NC · Member since 2013 · 502 posts · 215 votes

After a crack in the tank of a 50 year old Standard toilet, I decided to spring for a new Kohler product (Elmbrook). I removed the toilet and discovered that the flange is made of ABS and sits on top of the finished floor (vinyl). The flange is a whopping 1/2" thick. The cavity in the toilet is 5/8" high (vertical distance from perimeter to toilet ceiling), meaning there was only 1/8" of space in which the wax ring did its work. I never experienced such a small gap. My question is, would it make sense to slice a standard wax ring in half or do I use the complete ring and hope the best the wax doesn't get squeezed into the water pathway?

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Rental Property Investor · Ithaca, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
8y

Have you tried buying the non-wax rings? I used them on my toilets and its been working so far. 

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y
    I’d slice it in half.
  • Contractor · Woodcliff Lk, NJ · Member since 2017 · 108 posts · 26 votes
    8y

    They make different size rings, buy the smallest ring and then just push it on. Its okay if it squeezes it will not get in the water pathway. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Ithaca, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    Have you tried buying the non-wax rings? I used them on my toilets and its been working so far. 

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2013 · 502 posts · 215 votes
    8y

    I have not tried any non wax ring yet, and by reading about what the big box stores offer, they doon't seem to work for small spaces.

  • Bow, NH · Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    In the past I've used the rubber gaskets that have tape or adhesive to stick to the underside of the toilet, and it has a cone attached that goes down into the flange. Never had an issue with them.

  • Real Estate Agent · Cupertino, CA · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    Ask a good plumber....1/8th is not enough.

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    You're going to be fine. I too have an Elmbrook toilet. Actually, I was given one during the model rollout last year. Use a standard-sized wax seal, nt a reinforced model, not one with a cone. Squeeze it down. The stuff that squeezes out into the path of the water will flush away quickly and not obstruct your toilet.

  • Erie, PA · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    8y
    If you just double up on your wax ring you should be just fine. The wax won't get in the way and you will be sure to have a sealed fit.
  • Durham, NC · Member since 2013 · 502 posts · 215 votes
    8y

    Update:

    The toilet is installed. I ended up shaving off about 1/4" off the standard wax ring. That resulted in about 3/4 " thick wax having to fill a 3/16" gap between toilet sealing and flage. I don't notice any sewage smell despite the high temperatures outside. Neither of the non wax ring products I read about is suited for such a small gap. It still baffles me why someone chose such a thick flange. Thank you everybody for your input. 

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    @Andreas W.

    It happens. Someone picked up the tile floor flange instead of the vinyl floor flange on the run to the plumbing supply house. You'll see it again, although the reverse is more common -- toilets mounted on upgraded tile floors where no one's added a flange extender and there's a huge gap. Good job!

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