Investing in Philippines or Thailand?

Investing in Philippines or Thailand?

Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
I’m playing with the idea of buying for cash flow and for occasional vacation use in either of these countries. I saw (online and YouTube) a couple very nice developments in Cebu (Mactan Newton) and Manila. I have no idea of the real estate climate there. I’ve visited Thailand years ago but not the Philippines. Any investors have good luck there?
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CO · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 2 votes
8y
I sign documents in the philippines in 2 weeks, recently got 2 condo units. One in Mactan/cebu area and one in metro manila called Mckinely Park. I’ll keep anyone up to date on my situation if you want to contact me and I’ll let you know the details. This is my first investment in the Philippines so I’m sure we have all the same concerns and I’m willing to share my experiences with the company (MegaWorld) I’m dealing with, as well as, Fhel the agent thats communicating with me and setting everything up. If you’d like to contact her I can get you in touch with her. MegaWorld has started a recent project and they offer ‘Development Financing’ and also its better to get in early if you decide this particular investment is right for you.
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  • Rental Property Investor · FPO, AP · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    Its a condo play only unless your a local national. I have the desire to purchase a 2 bed room condo in either location because it is my goal to have a few home bases in the region for future early retirement. Its not a safe bet for decent ROI, mostly speculative in some opinion. I HAVE NOT purchased anything yet just research.

  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y
    Maybe u can buy condo in Thailand better, I bought a condo in Bangkok in 2014, now I can get monthly rent fee and also can spend holidays there if well arranged my condo, good luck to u!
  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    These days I’m also considering investing in Manila, can someone here help me? Tell me sth about Manila’s market, thanks

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y
    I read that in Thailand foreign born folks aren’t allowed to own land by national law. But for condos it might not apply being that you’re only purchasing a unit not land. Someone who invests there could chime in maybe. For the Philippines I don’t know if they have such laws. The thing with both these countries is there’s so much corruption that I find it hard to trust what’s truth on paper and with the language barrier making it even more challenging. Again maybe some investors in these countries can share their experiences.
  • Investor · Malakoff, TX · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Gary F.:

    I read that in Thailand foreign born folks aren’t allowed to own land by national law. 

    I've heard the same thing from multiple foreigners who live there.

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    Be careful.....I don't know anything about Philippines, but in Thailand others are right on.  Foreigners can't own land.  Some people think they have a way around it, for example buying in a company name.   My thought is don't play games with your retirement money.  Every now and again someone will get pissed and decide to end this game of foreigners buying through companies, declare them all illegal and confiscate the properties.   

    You can buy in a  condo in a foreign name....there are restrictions.  Foreigners can't own more than 1/2 the building and of course plenty of other rules.

    There is a company called New Nordic that mostly built condo type hotels south of Pattaya and now in Samui and Phuket.  They can guarantee returns, rent your place out like a hotel room, so you can stay too when you want to go.   There is tax on rentals now, so you want to check that out.  Just recently enacted.

    One logistic you have to think about is how do you use your place for vacations if you have it rented out?  Unless you only use it for short term rentals.

  • Lake Forest, CA · Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    8y
    I am an American citizen that was raised in the Philippines and I can only say be very careful on who you deal with. That nanny of my daughter bought a property there and according to her it is fully paid but until now she does not have the title. I do not know her situation in full detail but I would not invest in the Philippines right now and all the land reform laws there. The government can just take you land and give to the people. But once again it is a country infused with meth and governed by corruption.
  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    Yeah, either place just doesn't seem like a good investment.

  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Last April, when I had the idea to buy a condo in Manila, I began to check the market, also luckily I went to visit this country last July,2017, I had a good impression on this country, first, English is widely used and spoken, so no any language barrier, even I'm Chinese, I can speak fluent English, so I like this place; second, manila is developing very fast and rental fee is high compared with other countries, I have invested two condos in Thailand in the past, now the price is a little up, so I prefer to invest one in Manila; third, zero downpayment, so really convenient and good news for me, because I'm still paying for Pattaya condo, so I just paid 20000pesos for reservations, then assigned the contract and began to pay the first downpayment 30% of the total monthly, is only about 19000 pesos monthly, finally the price in Manila is still low compared to other countries, esp compared to cities in china, so once I made a decision, I took an action, I believe my choice is a good one, can we discuss here if u have some more advice? thanks for reading my words here!

  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    About condo in Thailand, I wanna say sth here, because I have bought one condo in Bangkok in 2014, right on owning land, just a condo u can buy, but what does that matter? Maybe I'm Chinese, I can buy any apartment, but seldom own the land unless u are very rich and can afford a villa or living in the countryside, so just finished paying for the condo, u can rent it out to get some cash flow, for example, about 6% returns from your property every year, u can rent it out yearly, or if u come to Thailand for holidays, u can arrange your condo well, it depends on u, or on the other hand, u can live in hotel with ur money from rental fee, also a good option, anyway, buying a condo in Thailand or other countries is just a kind of investment, which can bring u profit, is not good enough? after all I missed the golden time to invest in china, so I don't wanna miss the gold time invested in Thailand or Philippines! Every chance will be passing by quickly when u are just waiting there and see!

  • Ossining, NY · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    8y
    I grew up in the Philippines and now based here in NY as a nurse.We just bought our first condo unit in Makati (financial capital in the country) thru Federal Land Inc.We got it at pre-selling price and the turnover of the unit is in 2022.They required us to pay $2k dp then 20% of the amt for 4 yrs with our set monthly payments.Upon turnover in 2022..the remaining 80% will be financed by the bank and will be self-liquidating with the renter’s monthly payment.I have most of my family here in the US investing thru condos back home. Foreigners are only allowed to acquire condo units not land in the Philippines.And my best advise is for you to google the most reliable developer so you know your hard earned money won’t go to waste.Ours is from Federal Land Inc. with the best reputation in the country. I hope this help answer ur question in some way.
  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    oh, thanks for Yen Padilla, I am the same as u, I bought it this year, just paid 20000 pesos for reservations, then 5 years for downpayment monthly will be turnover in 2023, I asked DMCI company for help, also very reliable, now an agent directly from this company helped me, for others, I'm a little risk, but I think Manila is a good market to invest! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Florida & Shanghai · Member since 2017 · 192 posts · 68 votes
    8y

    I've been thinking about investments in Southeast Asia as well.   I've been in Shanghai for 15 years and like @Ping Zhang, I feel like I missed the boat on investing in China.   I think the biggest question you have to ask is 'what is your investment goal'?  Malaysia is supposedly the most affordable lifestyle country to live in Southeast Asia, so for retirement it might work great, but i'm hearing other locations in Thailand and Philippines bring greater returns.  Don't forget the other countries not yet mentioned... I also know people in Myanmar and Vietnam who are quite happy with their investments, but they are in no hurry to build a real estate empire.  Again, what's your goal?

    Keep in mind, however, we are only talking SouthEast Asia, which tends to have investments good on annual appreciation but so-so on Cap rates, rental yields, and cash on cash returns. Compared to the US, the rental and overall Cash on Cash ROI are proving much better in the states. I have two triplexes currently both at 10%+ caprate and 12%-16% cash on cash ROI, with 20% down @ 5.75% loan rate. I haven't found this anywhere in Asia yet. Then again, I'm looking at numbers only.

  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    Having traveled to both countries I would stay away from Philippines but consider owning in Thailand. But not for an investment, just as a place to spend time in (few months a year). There is a large difference in the two countries. While corruption exists everywhere, the PI seems particularly lawless. There was actually cases of Airport officials putting bullets in foreigners luggage and then shaking them down. This kind of stuff doesnt happen in Thailand because they depend so much on tourism and are trying to encourage westerners to retire there. For investing only, stick to the US. It has the best investment climate of anywhere when you think of the risk/reward ratio.

  • Yuma, AZ · Member since 2015 · 140 posts · 137 votes
    8y
    Foreigners can not own land in Philippines. But you can own a condo. Lot of scammers both locals and expats. it can be done but I suggest you go there and spend time talking to other people who own their condos maybe get a better insight how things work.
  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    People here in Biggerpocket are most from USA and also do business only in USA, so when I first found this one, I felt a little disappointed, no investment in southeast asians? anyway I began this topic: " Invest in Thailand or in Philippines?" now I'm happy some people involve in this topic, I don't know anything about real estate in USA, a little far for me, I haven't visited it also, difficult to get a visa, also not cheap for me to visit this country, so I put my point in southeast countries, after visiting these countries, I compared with Chinese real estate, now in china, esp some big cities such as Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou , Shenzhen etc, very expensive to invest, so when I found the market in southeast countries cheaper than in china, thats why, I began to invest one in Bangkok in 2014, after I got my condo in 2015, I bought the furniture package, I rent it out every year, I found a good profit, about 6 percent returns, another one in Pattaya for holidays, still not finished, anyway compared Thailand and Philippines, all have advantages and disadvantages, just depend on u, now the price in Bangkok is a little high, if only investing, I think Manila is better than bangkok, more return in rental!

  • CO · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 2 votes
    8y
    I sign documents in the philippines in 2 weeks, recently got 2 condo units. One in Mactan/cebu area and one in metro manila called Mckinely Park. I’ll keep anyone up to date on my situation if you want to contact me and I’ll let you know the details. This is my first investment in the Philippines so I’m sure we have all the same concerns and I’m willing to share my experiences with the company (MegaWorld) I’m dealing with, as well as, Fhel the agent thats communicating with me and setting everything up. If you’d like to contact her I can get you in touch with her. MegaWorld has started a recent project and they offer ‘Development Financing’ and also its better to get in early if you decide this particular investment is right for you.
  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y
    It’s great to see some response here. After I first posted there was none but now we have life!! I’m now vacationing and researching in Thailand. I looked at some Bangkok and Pattaya luxury condos. Prices are actually a bit high considering it’s still a developing country, not a strong economy. Nor do I see much future growth. There’s also much inventory so it’s a buyers market. These complexes do sell though mostly to European and Chinese investors (who’d have thought that !!??). The rental income for cash flow isn’t great and I don’t think neither is the equity There’s plenty of new developments pending but with many sketchy developers promising this and that it can be a crapshoot. I saw one building sitting unfinished in Central Pattaya. Supposedly the builder went about 8 floors too high over their original plans. The community and government stopped them and now it’s sitting idle. How stupid can you be!!!?? Now all those buyers have nothing but a cement eye sore. So in Thai time only God knows when it will be done. Lesson: Don’t buy promises. Not all developers are this dumb of course, but being that it’s overseas and a foreign culture, it can get dicey at times. I think I’ll just rent if I ever move to Thailand.
  • Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2018 · 100 posts · 71 votes
    8y

    I recommend stating away from investing in a foreign country if your sole purpose is for Investment. We got burned with our Investments in India due to the Foreign Exchange Rates. 

    Most emerging economies are high inflation which means that the currency depreciates over time.  

    When its time for you to bring back your investments back to the US, you will realize that you probably haven't made any gains as the gains were probably wiped off as the US $ is stronger than the currency of the Emerging country. And then you also have to consider tax implications of moving money from one country to another.

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y
    I’m still looking at thailand condos. I’ve looked at a Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket. These are luxury condos which I think are overpriced. And these developers just decide to raise prices randomly. This seems to artificially increase the market as it starts a feeding frenzy. Mostly Chinese and Russian investors, but mostly the Chinese buying these like cookies. They literally look at the miniature model displays in the sales office, tour the model unit, and buy 8 after 30 minutes sales pitch. They buy these pre-construction and start making payments with the hopes of guaranteed 5-8% return over 3-10 years. Sounds good right? It can be if you’ve cash burning a hole in your pocket. And then sell after a couple of developers price increases. But if you need to finance, even at 4% loan, profit gets eaten by the management fees of up to 25%, local business tax, and other fees. In looking at 8 complexes my cash flow was a paltry $100. Without factoring in utilities cost and misc repairs and being overseas it just doesn’t compute Also in looking at luxury condos that are about 10+ year old, the equity drops tremendously. Now buying an older resale unit seems to be the best value. More often than not they’re still in great condition as new builds. I just saw a listing for a nice complex 1.5km from Kamala beach, Mountain View, 105sm, 2-bedroom penthouse for $68k. This might be worth a looksee
  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Last year I went to visit Cebu, the second biggest city in phillipines, smaller than manila, in my mind, if u wanna invest first, then live in it later for holidays, I still advice Manila first, big city, big market and will be easily rented out and sell it later!

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    Followup to my Thailand visit. Unless you''re able to buy early in the first release stages of a new development, the equity is difficult to capture. Of course the first releases have the lowest prices to attract buyers.  You can make some equity if you sell around the time just before the last units are sold out.  But once the unit is a few years old, it loses much equity because the selling hype and interest have disappated and the next new development is getting attention.  Even RE agents rarely show resale units.  The developers give 15%-18% commission on their new units, while the REA may only get 5% on a privately owned resale unit.  So older units depreciate and sit on the market much longer because REA simply dont want to waste their time showing buyers. 

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    Ever wonder why they have those cute Thai ladies in the malls with the short skirts?  Yep, to attract new investors to those fancy new luxury developments.  And it seems to work. 

  • Ray ReyesPro Member
    Los Angeles · Member since 2017 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Ping Zhang are you using a Property Management company too rent out your condo in Manila?

  • Rental Property Investor · Wuhan, Hubei · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    Not yet, I just bought in 2018 and now pay monthly, it will be finished in 2013 and 2014, I can get some profit with rising price each year when finial payment comes, then I can rent it out! Thanks 

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