Blueprint for New Overseas Investors

Blueprint for New Overseas Investors

Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes

Hi All!

I wanted to spell out all the steps I went through in order to be functional as a real investor via a US company in America. I thought this list might be helpful for others who aren’t quite sure where to start.

I’ve just made this journey over the last twelve months and now have four companies and seven houses in five different states. Two of them I’m straight flipping, one is a major fix-and-flip and three are long term rentals.

The list focusses on the business aspects, because this is what was most difficult for me being remote and not an American national. The BP podcast and the forums already have fantastic information on the strategies and methods for investing in real estate.

I’m going to name the companies I use for reference, but I’m not affiliated with them and you can use any service provider you want.

The order of the steps is important because you often need the things above in order to move forwards to the next one:

1. Choose which state you want to invest in, or at least where you want to incorporate first, perhaps as a holding company. I started in Arkansas because I thought I would invest there, but plans have changed and I’m now using a Wyoming holding company owned by a revocable living trust.

2. Get an American address using a post box service. I have one that scans my mail, and then I can choose which ones to mail on to me overseas, and which ones can be either recycled or shredded. I use Anytime Mailbox for this.

3. Get an American phone number that can redirect to your overseas phone via an app. I use OpenPhone and pay $10/m to receive calls.

4. Find a registered agent in the state of your choice. You need this if you are not in the state, and your post box address is not acceptable. This can be combined with step 5 below if you want to use a service provider.

5. Incorporate your entity. You can do this yourself usually, via the commercial authority in your chosen state. Alternatively, this can be combined with step 4 above, if you use a service provider to register your company and act as registered agent. I started off doing this myself, but now use Northwest Registered Agent for both 4 and 5. Northwest also has very helpful guides on their website if you want to do it yourself.

6. Obtain an Employee Identification Number (EIN) from the IRS. I filled out form SS-4, nominating myself as a ‘Foreign-Owned US-disregarded entity Form 5472’. This means the IRS will look past my company and tax me as an individual. I sent it by international faxed to the IRS (they don’t do email ever due to fraud concerns). You can call the IRS to get the number after about two weeks, but you need the formal letter before you can open a bank account.

7. Open a bank account. I used Mercury Bank which allowed me to open the account remotely, after some stringent AML checks. They also gave me a Visa debit card.

8. Send money to your new bank account. I use Transferwise, but there are other providers.

9. Make an operating agreement for your entity. You can do this at any time, and there are lots of templates on the internet. You never know when you will be required to produce it.

10. Start investing!

The above steps are the absolute minimum in order to begin.

Other things that you may want to consider:

10. Choose a CRM, or a platform that will allow you to track your investment properties. I use Podio, but it is not an easy or intuitive system for beginners. There may be much better options out there.

11. Choose accounting platform or system. I have been using Xero to do my books but it’s become too complicated now so I’m moving my books to an accountant who uses QuickBooks Pro online.

12. Learn some important tax basics:

  • (a) you need to get contractors to who you will pay more than $700 to fill in an IRS Form W-9.
  • (b) look up the Foreign Investor in Real Property Act (‘FIRPTA’), which requires someone who purchases a property from a foreign investor to withhold 15% (usually) of the sales price and give it to the IRS. You can claim it back in due course when you file your taxes.

13. Work on building a credit score. All lenders ask for this and it is difficult when you are based overseas. I found a website called Nova Credit that can convert your local credit history into a US credit score if you come from Canada, UK or Australia. Based on the converted score, an American bank (Amex) gave me a $5K credit card. Having a credit card is the start of building a credit score.

14. Find a reason to get an ITIN and apply. This is actually a torturous process, but an ITIN number is needed by most lenders, even if you are a non-resident, non-US national. However, the IRS won’t just give them when you ask, you need a reason! The default is when you need to file your first tax returns (if your entity is disregarded for tax purposes) but this can be more than a year after you first start investing. I used an application for an exemption to FIRPTA (see point 13 above) as a vehicle to apply for an ITIN.

15. Find an accountant or tax strategist that can give you relevant advice specific to your situation as a foreign investor.

16. Use virtual assistants to help you if possible – with researching, accounting, Podio set up. I use Upwork.

17. You may need to notarize some documents for your business operations. There are several online notary services where you have a webcam meeting with a real notary based in the US. Many states now accept such notarizations, but you need to check with your specific state.

18. Make use of Bigger Pockets to get referrals for agents/property managers/contractors on the ground. Connect with fellow investors 😊. Everyone I have met through the site has been very friendly and so helpful, I really appreciate this plaform.

19. Consider estate planning. The US imposes a 40% estate tax rate on U.S. assets of deceased nonresidents, which applies to all assets over the first $60,000. This is massive. I'm not impacted because Australia has a treaty with the US, but other nationals need to be really careful.

That’s all I have for now, hope the above is helpful for new investors based outside the US. There is a lot of extra work needed to get set up for investing remotely, but it is definitely possible without the use of expensive external advisors.

Happy investing!

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New to Real Estate · International · Member since 2018 · 15 posts · 10 votes
5y

What a super helpful post @Tess L. - seems very comprehensive. I am also based in Dubai and have been researching all these same steps, but have not yet taken the plunge into my first investment in the US. If useful to you, I'd be happy to talk offline and brainstorm strategies to find investments and start deploying. Stay safe and well ! 

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  • New to Real Estate · International · Member since 2018 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    5y

    What a super helpful post @Tess L. - seems very comprehensive. I am also based in Dubai and have been researching all these same steps, but have not yet taken the plunge into my first investment in the US. If useful to you, I'd be happy to talk offline and brainstorm strategies to find investments and start deploying. Stay safe and well ! 

  • Investor · Australia · Member since 2019 · 49 posts · 30 votes
    5y

    Hello Tess,

    What a fantastic post. Thanks for you time.

  • Homeowner · Belgium · Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Awesome post @Tess L.! I am from Belgium and currently investing only overhere. I did live in America so I've always played with the idea of investing in the US. 

    One question, you say you are a real investor via a US company. You still invest as a natural person right? You don't invest through a company you own yourself for example? Did I get that correct? The 'via a US company' is just the help you receive from them?

    Kind regards,

    Bert Declercq

  • Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes
    5y

    Hi Bert, 

    Glad you liked the post! No, I have formed my own US companies, that I own, and use them to buy properties and open bank accounts. That way, my liability is limited to the assets of each company, not to my own personal assets.

    I don't receive help from another US company except the ones mentioned providing some supporting services.

    Cheers, Tess

  • Homeowner · Belgium · Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Tess L. Thank you for your info!

  • Investor · London · Member since 2017 · 160 posts · 82 votes
    5y

    @Tess L. thanks for one of best posts I've ever read on BP! If you have taken loans out for your investments, what kind of interest rates were you able to achieve, if you don't mind me asking? If better over PM, happy to communicate that way. I'm doing research to try to get a loan less than 6% interest rate.

  • North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2019 · 156 posts · 80 votes
    5y

    Great post!

    One thing I would like to add about the credit score- there is a card called "secured credit card" which is pretty easy to apply for. This card gives you the chance to start building your credit score before anyone will give you a regular credit card.

    In this secured card, the bank gets a payments by the holder (usually 200-500$) and keeps it. This is why it called secured-  the bank have your money so if you don't pay your bills they have no risk.

    I've ordered this kind of card in Discover and it was easy.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Thank you Tess for this very good post!  what is the cost of shipping letters using (Anytime Mailbox ) to UAE?

    Thanks

  • Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes
    5y

    @Youcef Azoug - it's about $80 each time to FedEx them, but I get them to save up a few letters to send all at once. It's not ideal but it's really only the original title deeds and title insurance that I get sent over. Also bank cards and IRS letters.

    @Jennifer S. - I haven't taken out loans yet. I wanted to build a track record first and get some experience before reaching out for finance. I'm in touch with a few lenders now though, so hopefully I'll have some options soon.

  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    What a post @Tess L.! Thank you so much for sharing! 

  • Investor · New Zealand and Australia · Member since 2020 · 35 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Excellent post Tess! Looking forward to leveraging my Australian credit score to secure cash back refinancing options

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    You are awesome for posting this. How's everything been going?

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Hi Tess, is the credit card you got on your name or on the business name?

  • Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes
    5y

    @Caleb: things are going well so far, but it's a mixed bag. I have one house doing great in Dayton OH. My Detroit house has been hit with a couple of massive unexpected bills ($6K and $9K) for lead water pipe replacement, so I'm never investing there again! I'm selling my two IL houses (one is under contract) which was always the plan. I wanted to convert my Windsor NY house into a duplex which would have been really fantastic for revenue, but the council refused zoning. That was disappointing because no external changes were required to the house. I had a great renovation planned for my Poplar Bluff, MO house, with financing lined up, but it fell apart because we couldn't find a good, available contractor after several months. 

    So overall, getting into real estate has been a fun, frustrating but hopefully worthwhile pursuit. I haven't made great financial progress this last year. However, I now have everything in place, I've got a lot more practical experience and contacts, and haven't lost money. So hopefully onwards and upwards!

  • Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes
    5y

    @Yousef: the Amex credit card was in my personal name (to build my personal credit) and the Mercury Bank accounts/debit cards are in the name of my business.

  • Rental Property Investor · Poplar Bluff, MO · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Tess L. I have 8 door in Poplar Bluff, and finding contractors is a challenge to say the least. There has been a surprising building and remodeling boom here after several years of stagnation. Thanks for sharing your work, I plan to keep it for review.

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2020 · 294 posts · 245 votes
    5y

    Hey @Tess L., great post, very insightful. Another aspect I would add that is certainly not thought about is the timezone difference hahaha. I work with a lot of investors in Israel and we have limited hours of the day to converse.

    I would recommend checking out Philadelphia for your next flip. It is one of the top-ranked flipping cities in the US, and the market over the last year has been short of insanity. Here is an article that gives a detailed analysis of the February market update.https://assets.ctfassets.net/1...The highlights of this article are:

    1. year over year inventory has fallen 31%

    2. Properties came under contract in less than 2 weeks' time, nearly a month sooner than last year.

    3. A record number of homes sold in February, while the median home sale price rose 28k over last year.

    Safe to say Philly is one of the hottest markets right now and finding the off-market inventory is the key to cash in. 

    I applaud Tess for sticking through it because there is a massive learning curve when coming into this space, and I encourage new investors that haven't jumped into the game or haven't taken the leap into Philly @Marty Neville @Asif Karmally @Iris Cruz @Bert Declercq yet to take that leap.

    1. Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 0 votes
      5y

      Thank you, great overview Tess!

    2. Rental Property Investor · Lisbon, Lisbon · Member since 2019 · 1 post · 1 vote
      5y

      Thank you for sharing your experience!

      Me and my brother invest in Dallas and Indianapolis area since ‘15 and there are some information in your post - like the novacredit.com - that we didn’t know about it and that will be so helpfull.

    3. Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 1 vote
      5y

      Hello @Tess L., I would also like to thank you for taking the time to share this information. It’s so useful for me as a person who is in the process of learning how to start. Could I ask you if there is a reason (like legal or something like this) other than spreading liability for you investing via multiple companies instead of just one?

    4. Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
      5y

      Very thorough and insightful. Thank you so much for sharing Tess!! I'm in the process of deciding how to go about starting this journey and this has been super helpful in giving me things to consider. 

      Much Appreciated

    5. Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
      5y

      Hi Tess, I cannot begin to say how exciting it has been to come across your post. I am a US Citizen living in Abu Dhabi, and have recently started learning about Out-of-State or Overseas RE Investing. Thank you for this real world and real-time information.

      -Elvis

    6. Member since 2021 · 10 posts · 3 votes
      5y

      Hi @Tess L., The information you listed is very useful. I am justo wondering if when you say " company" you mean an LLC or you created other kind of company to start with your first property?

    7. Investor · Dubai, United Arab Emirates · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 73 votes
      5y

      Hi Pablo, glad you liked the post :) I meant 'LLC' when I used the word 'company'.

    8. Member since 2021 · 10 posts · 3 votes
      5y

      @Tess L. Great. And having a registered agent wouldn´t fullfill the same function than having a P.O. Box? I mean, both are for receiving documents and mail, isn´t it? 

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