Rich Dad Poor Dad: Did I Miss Something?

Rich Dad Poor Dad: Did I Miss Something?

Property Manager · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 117 posts · 50 votes

So I just finished reading "Rich Dad Poor Dad What The Rich Teach Their Kids About Money That The Poor And Middle Class Do Not" and I feel like I must have missed out on something given how often this book as cited as THE GO TO beginner book for real estate investment. I also just finished reading "The Book On Rental Property Investing". 

The latter book gave me approx. 3 pages of short notes and tips covering all of the page; information that I'll want to make sure I internalize and make sure I put to good use. The former book gave me three sentences and, I personally feel, could be summed up thusly: Make money work for you (not vice versa), Fear holds you back (learn to control it and act), Educate yourself continuously and find experts to learn from (failure is a form of learning).

As someone spending money on investment books and real estate, I feel like I must have missed the point of Rich Dad Poor Dad because it seems to me to have basically boiled down to a pre-game pep talk from coach letting you know that you can do it if you try. I know I need to make money work from me. I clearly chose to do this through investing because I'm reading a book on how to do it. I know I'm going to be scared of losing my money until I can control my risks. That's how we, humans, feel every time we ever try to do something for the first time. Educate yourself. Really? If that isn't the biggest "Duh" when trying to figure out how to do something new I'd love to hear what is. The reason I bought the book was that I was trying to educate myself and gain useful information that will help me succeed in this game. Information like, "Watching commercial building trends can direct you towards new growth areas." I was not looking for platitudes and pick me ups. I was hoping for tangible, usable information that I could apply to my business strategy and mitigate risk.

So did I miss something? Is the book supposed to be a pep talk? Or did I miss something major? I truly want to know if somebody got something more out of the book as I'm eager to learn and chewing through as many books as I can. 

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David GreeneBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · San Francisco Bay Area, CA · Member since 2012 · 225 posts · 266 votes
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As crazy as this may sound, remember how this feels. When you are an accomplished investor and come across clients or new folks, make sure to give them specific, valuable information. They will appreciate it the same way you wish you could be finding the same. You'll stand apart from the majority.

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  • Investor / Mentor / Contractor · Arcadia, CA Buying Out of State · Member since 2015 · 655 posts · 622 votes
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    That's right, it's a pep talk.  Then the next level is you pay for coaching in Kiyosaki's organization (or others) or pay for seminars. I did the same thing. I read and I read and it wasn't till I did coaching programs and live seminars that forced action to buy real estate, did I start to succeed.  I'm not a coach and I'm not selling anything, just giving you my experience. So congratulations, you are now past the first step, welcome to what's next. Go get a property to either wholesale, flip, buy and hold... Partner with someone if doing that first deal is too scary.  Good Luck

    P.S. I have enjoyed many Rich Dad books but that one is just mediocre at best.

  • David GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · San Francisco Bay Area, CA · Member since 2012 · 225 posts · 266 votes
    10y

    Hey Brian,

    I can relate to your frustration about these popular real estate books. I've got some ideas for you to consider.

    People write those books to make a lot of money. You don't make a lot of money with very specific information geared towards a very specific audience. You make a lot of money with very general information and concepts directed towards a very broad audience.

    With that being said, you'll probably end up disappointed with most popular books. It's hard to find the substance you're looking for on a best seller list. To be honest, 95% of the information in most popular real estate books is regurgitated info you will here everywhere else as well.  The authors of best sellers don't want to give specific information because 10 years later if you follow it and it doesn't work, they look like a fool. If you want specific, tangible information, you're likely going to glean that from people, not books. Feel free to message me with any specific questions you have about real estate as I remember how I felt to be in your position, but in addition to that:

    1. Think about where you can meet people that do what you want to do. You're going to learn from osmosis more than anything. It's true. Most people aren't going to spend a lot of time on a stranger giving away info that doesn't benefit them, so think about what value you can bring to their life or business and start by offering that.

    2. Research specific topics, not general real estate concepts. So for instance, if you're interested in something basic like buying single family residences to cash flow, research what the biggest mistakes investors made when buying single family. Then research each mistake you come across to learn more about that specific category. You'll slowly put together a framework of information.

    3. To be completely honest, the BEST way to learn is from someone else who knows what their doing. For instance, find a really good property manager by asking around, researching reviews, and meeting with them. The one' who are passionate and know exactly what they are looking for tend to the best. Then ask them their opinion on what you want to accomplish (how to find a good deal, what area to look in, who does the best loans, who the best real estate agent is, etc). You now have an agent to contact and learn from, a lender to contact and learn from, etc. Making moves like this will get you a foundation. Then you can start spreading from there learning the tangible information we need to make good investing decisions.

    Hope that helped. Feel free to message me with any questions.

  • Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    I agree; it's just a cheer leading book. 

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    @Brian 

    @Brian Volland you have hit the nail on the head.  Apparently the level of financial education in our school system is so low, or none existent, that a third grade level book with no specifics, just broad generalities can become a runaway best seller and be worshiped by both the financial naive as well as those preying on them as a brilliant work of financial acumen and enlightenment.  

    1. Buy low, sell high

    2. Don't work for your money; have your money work for you

    3. Get rich so you can invest in the higher return investments reserved only for the rich

    4. Some craziness about 4 quadrants 

    There you have it in a nutshell.

    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    I was about ten when a class mate said to me in the library: I know how I can become rich - I'll write a book titled "How to get Rich"! 

    (That was fifty years ago). "Out of the mouths of babes"...

  • David GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · San Francisco Bay Area, CA · Member since 2012 · 225 posts · 266 votes
    10y

    As crazy as this may sound, remember how this feels. When you are an accomplished investor and come across clients or new folks, make sure to give them specific, valuable information. They will appreciate it the same way you wish you could be finding the same. You'll stand apart from the majority.

  • Investor · Shibuya Ku, Tōkyō-to · Member since 2015 · 90 posts · 36 votes
    10y

    Agree with most of what was said here. I gave RDPD a shot after hearing so much about it and couldn't last more than 20 pages. I've read a couple books on psychology and psychological investing and was really blown away - great substance in an interesting and intelligent manner. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Flint, MI · Member since 2015 · 270 posts · 71 votes
    10y
    David Greene has actually just given you the blueprint. Excellent post!
  • Property Manager · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 117 posts · 50 votes
    10y

    Thank you, all of you, for the feedback. @David Greene , I will certainly be taking your advice to heart and seek out folks with more experience in my niche. I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who found the RDPD book lacking; as opposed to me just being too thick to understand the message. I've already been in contact with my local real estate group and will be meeting them in a couple of weeks. 

    In the meantime, if anyone has any recommendations for books on locating, inspecting, and buying small (2-4) MFRs in the local market I'd love to hear them. 

  • Software Designer · Albany, NY · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    I will say, that while RDPD didn't provide much in the way of concrete information, and it is 'just' a pep talk, sometimes a pep talk is what people need to break themselves out of their way of thinking.  It was helpful for me to read that book as it really got me interested in seriously considering real estate investing in the first place, and subsequently reading many other more specific books encouraged me to take steps to put myself in a position to buy my first multifam.

    Everyone takes their own path, learn what you can from it and move on... like anything, some will find more value than others.

  • Specialist · Kirkland, WA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 817 votes
    10y

    It's not a Real Estate Book as much as it is a, if you don't want to be stuck in JOB go do this real estate thing, and here's why (Quadrants). If you want specifics look to the biggerpockets books, Frank Gallinelli's, "What Every Real Estate Investor needs to know about Cashflow ..." and then biggerpockets and your local non-seminar selling REIA

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    I liked RDPD early on as a mindset changer.  If you are already beyond thinking like regular sheeple in a J.O.B., it may not offer many benefits.  I did like learning that being self-employed just means you own your own job.  See Michael Gerber's 'The E-myth' for more on that.  Most 'entrepreneurs' aren't!

    It sounds like you're not talking about thee RDPD, though @Brian Volland.  He has several offshoot books.  Your read sounds like one of the 'teach your kids' versions?

  • Dawn BrenengenBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Brian Volland RDPD is a great book, but it's a beginner level book.  You are just past the point of it being useful for you.  Conversely, I have been trying to get my husband interested in investing and finance ever since we met in 2008.  He has had ZERO interest.  We drove home from Atlanta over the holidays, and I started playing the RDPD audiobook, and by the time we hit Raleigh, he was a believer.  I could see the lightbulb over his head getting brighter by the mile.  I read the book 15 years ago, so it was nothing new for me, but I loved seeing him get excited about investing in a way I could never get him to be on my own.

  • Property Manager · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 117 posts · 50 votes
    10y


    Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

    I liked RDPD early on as a mindset changer.  If you are already beyond thinking like regular sheeple in a J.O.B., it may not offer many benefits.  I did like learning that being self-employed just means you own your own job.  See Michael Gerber's 'The E-myth' for more on that.  Most 'entrepreneurs' aren't!

    It sounds like you're not talking about thee RDPD, though @Brian Volland.  He has several offshoot books.  Your read sounds like one of the 'teach your kids' versions?

     I can promise you, I did not read the "teach your kids" version.

    As far as the rest of the comments, I will admit that, if you had no knowledge of real esate investment or weren't sure  you wanted to go about making/saving money so that you didn't have to work,  this would b.  good book to help you see possibilities. My mistake was expecting a book more along the lines of, "You've made your choice, now lets show you how to make it all work."

    Thanks again for all the feedback.

  • Southampton, PA · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    10y
    Brian Volland you beat me to the punch haha. I recently began listening to a few podcasts this past week, and from the few that I've listened to every guest speaker lists RDPD as the book to read for beginners. Being a beginner, I ran and grabbed the book these pros told me to and after the first chapter I had the same revelation you did!!
  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 389 posts · 250 votes
    10y

    I felt the same way when I read it -- kind of like going to DisneyWorld for the first time at 19 -- I was already past what it offered.  Now if I could get my teenagers to read RDPD (like Dawn's husband!), it might be worth something.  As someone mentioned above, it's a "mindset changer" more than any kind of "how to" book. 

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Brian Volland:

    In the meantime, if anyone has any recommendations for books on locating, inspecting, and buying small (2-4) MFRs in the local market I'd love to hear them. 

    When you get a reference  for "x y z", I suggest you use google search for:

    1. "reviews of x y z"

    you will always find nay-sayers, but look for a mixed bag of yea vs nay and see what gets noted as worthy info.  I also love browsing book stores and examining the TOC, Index and skimming a few paragraphs - - it's not a waste of time and you and your significant other can always go to dinner thereafter :)

    Here's the path we took to our MFU 6-units:

    • looked for a property which produced a cash flow - - not interested in property appreciation values, but needed to avoid red ink
    • this implies learning how to evaluate a rentals economic health and value (what are GSI, NOI, expense ratio, DSCR, cash/cash and cap rates). Do it enough and you can get to the cas/cash over a cup of coffee.
    • this resulted in an ever increasing radius of property locations to be examined.  Our locale just didn't work so other areas become necessary
    • we intended to 'self-manage' so it had to be withing driving range.
    • we opted for a location where we had friends, as they had information we could use and perhaps get help with the property (ie team building)
    • reapplying the first point, we started looking for 'good areas' in town.
    • we excluded all class-c properties (research A,B,C property classes)
    • as we were using a 1031 exchange, we were under some time pressure and elected to offer AS-IS.
    • we ate a bit of 'deferred maintenance' but the cash flow has been great for us
    • today (18yrs later) the property fmv(full market value) exceeds 2x our purchase price.

    While that process was ongoing, we read up on Fair Housing Regulation - - what we could and could not say/do regarding the application process and managing tenants.

    We looked at/downloaded many lease agreements to see and learn how others were protecting their interests.

    Lastly, we found tools for screening tenants, verifying employment and income, and how to perform background, credit checks.

    So - - that was our learning curve.  Notice, absence of a mentor (you have BP).

  • Visalia-Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 863 votes
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    I read RDPD in 2007. I still go back to it and pull nuggets of information.  Key take away for me was  "the rich do not work for money".


    Franklin

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:

    I read RDPD in 2007. I still go back to it and pull nuggets of information.  Key take away for me was  "the rich do not work for money".

    Right - - they inherit it.  What's left of the middle class sweat for it.

  • Investor · Shakopee, MN · Member since 2014 · 219 posts · 88 votes
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    I think the reason it's the go to for many people is that for some reason, clear easy to read language, or whatever...  it's the book that gives everyone the "aha" moment.

    Until you change your focus from being tied to a desk tied to the need for a paycheck in trade of your time, to wanting something better, it doesn't much matter.   I think this book does a great job of getting people to see the different of looking for a better paycheck to taking control of their own lives.

    If you are already taking control of your life, your past the need for this book.  Also, at a certain point you can stop reading books because the knowledge you will gain after that first layer comes from real world experience and specific circumstances.  In those cases, posting questions in the forums will get you the knowledge from the specific experiences you are experiencing.  There won't be a book written for every scenario you run into.

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 230 posts · 138 votes
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    @Brian Volland I agree, Rich Dad Poor Dad is not your book for hardcore real estate investing information - BP actually is! However, it's the book I point to for my start in real estate as well because it completely changed my mindset about money. Yes, it's more of a pep talk, but for people who grew up in an educational system that doesn't teach you much about money, it's a pep talk worth getting. 

  • Visalia-Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 863 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jeff B.:
    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:

    I read RDPD in 2007. I still go back to it and pull nuggets of information.  Key take away for me was  "the rich do not work for money".

    Right - - they inherit it.  What's left of the middle class sweat for it.

    I think you misinterpreted my comments.  Middle class seat for money until they can change their mindset.   The quote "the rich do not work for money" means the rich has money working for them.  Rich typically do not have the hourly, salary mindset.  

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:
    Originally posted by @Jeff B.:
    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:

    I read RDPD in 2007. I still go back to it and pull nuggets of information.  Key take away for me was  "the rich do not work for money".

    Right - - they inherit it.  What's left of the middle class sweat for it.

    I think you misinterpreted my comments.  Middle class seat for money until they can change their mindset.   The quote "the rich do not work for money" means the rich has money working for them.  Rich typically do not have the hourly, salary mindset.  

     I understood - - I took a jab at another perspective not mentioned :sigh:

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Like almost all works of fiction rich dad poor dad doesn't provide any real advice.   But hey, pay $40K and you might actually learn a thing or two.   Then again you can get it for free on BP.  

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jeff B.:
    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:

    I read RDPD in 2007. I still go back to it and pull nuggets of information.  Key take away for me was  "the rich do not work for money".

    Right - - they inherit it.  What's left of the middle class sweat for it.

     You do realize that this is a fallacy.  Studies have proven that most millionaires are self-made.  I know several and none of them inherited much if anything.   

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