Peoria, AZ · Member since 2012 · 51 posts · 10 votes
Sean Terry put together a program called Flip2Freedom academy, which is a video/mentoring version of his Flip2Freedom podcast. It's basically detailed step by step wholesaling with lots of motivation. There's not as much one-on-one mentoring as I would like, but there's a decent community (not as organized or broad as BP) and coaching webinars every 2 weeks with interactive Q&A.
I'm going to document my progress here, just like David Tower and a few others have done. I hope this will serve as a guide for future BP members to see if it's worth it to sign up.
I figure that the contracts and forms alone are worth the cost of signing up, and we'll see if the videos help as well. From what I've seen from 'gurus', they're heavy on cost and light on content. This seems to be the opposite, heavy on videos and actual content, but lighter on the wallet. The basic plan is $97/month but he has $597/year (cheaper but more up front) or a $997 lifetime membership. I went for the basic plan but I'm going to upgrade once I get a deal.
Sean also just released a program called FreedomLogic, which is a lead tracking, website publishing (and more! but I'm not sure what exactly) software solution. It's free for 30 days and then $97/month after that.
I'm not trying to advertise this program, I just wanted to announce the start of my experience with Flip2Freedom academy for anyone else who is wondering about it. And the website for it is flip2freedomnow.com. Sean uses his 'fear of loss' advertising, so he opens the academy every 6 months for new members, and this is one of those times.
Let me know if you have questions about the content and I'll dig around and see what I can find.
Thank you Richard for sharing your experience with the program, Freedom Logic by Sean Terry. I am very interested in partnering with possibly some of his group and his course. I don't remember Sean Terry ever saying that Wholesaling was easy. In fact, from a number of his pod cast he states that it is a numbers game and requires a lot of time, effort and a lot of energy. He also states that without leads (buyers & seller) constantly coming in, you will not succeed in this game of Wholesaling. I believe Sean states that for every 25 leads you MAY get 1 deal or not!!!! You get the idea marketing is not for the faint of heart. Sean speaks of various methods to constantly use to market and will let you know the methods that will save you man power, however, can cost you big money. Jean also shares the methods that don't cost you money and/or a lot, however, will require a LOT of YOUR manpower "time". Sean addresses a market of folks that really no longer want to be 9 to 5 people. I can certainly appreciate you not being very happy with the dripping, if you will, the releasing of the modules, however, this is what was told would happen, as a result of that particular purchase price. While you really did not need all of that beginning stuff, there are persons that actually do and unfortunately at the lowest price, one is not able to skip to their comfort module. I am very interested in the real estate investment soft ware that Jean offers through his program, after all, it's about getting those leads both buyer and seller, that the business of wholesaling thrives and being able to get information and give accurate information quickly. Of course being organized is really important and I know I certainly could use a good method for keeping up with leads etc. Is there anyone that has actually used the Freedom Logic soft ware? Love to hear your experience with it. Thanks for sharing Richard and I certainly wish you and your wife the very best.
I'm a member myself. When I joined it was only $600 for a lifetime membership so I sprung for that. I'm sure many out there will say it's stupid but I was willing to invest a few bucks in my education.
Honestly, Sean provided so much free content in his podcasts, I was happy to give him my business and I'm glad to be a part of his group. He really is a stand up guy.
Make sure you join the facebook group if you haven't already it's honestly much better than the online forums.
Keep us updated on how it goes. I never have a problem spending money on education. There are a million worse ways to spend your money! Hope it goes well.
Sean puts forth a lot of sincere info on his podcasts.
If there was anyway possible I'd go this week to ATL for his meeting.
Although I do lease options, I'm going to use the FREE info he puts out on his podcasts in the next few months to expand my biz model into wholesaling as well.
Richard Low Hey Richard, seems to be a crowd here wanting you to provide an update. Let's hear!
One thing that drives me nuts about these "gurus" is how they all shill to their lists for one another's programs, trying to milk folks for every conceivable cent on affiliate marketing commissions. It's gotten pretty disgusting. (Maybe it's always been disgusting and I wasn't around to notice.)
Update: I just Quit the Flip2Freedom Academy today
Sean Terry is a great motivator and teacher. And his podcast is great and because of it I bought a membership to Flip2Freedom.
Here's what I liked:
- I thought his live bi-weekly webinars were great, he had a Q&A session where you could type a question and eventually he'd get to yours. Ironically, this is way less mentoring than you get on BP or from a good local mentor.
- Wholesaling is hard. Sean does a good job motivating, since it's easy to get frustrated and give up, and this is built into the academy. I think this is one of the reasons for his success.
What I didn't like:
- The format of the whole academy is step-by-step video. He holds your hand through everything, from setting up a website, to email lists, finding buyers, sellers, mailers, bandit signs, etc. So why didn't I like this?
First, I signed up for the membership that 'unlocked' modules week by week, and the first 4 modules were either intro or focused on building a buyer's list. I got the the AZREIA, where there are plenty of buyers, so this wasn't interesting for me. I got frustrated waiting for the next module to unlock and was unwilling to pay $600 for the full yearly membership that gives you all the modules at once.
Second, some of his 'step-by-step' videos are out of date since the websites he used have changed their format. This isn't much of a problem, but this was tripping academy members up from the comments on each video in the academy. For me this wasn't much of a problem because I already knew how to set up a website, etc.
I also found that I have far less time to sit and watch videos as opposed to listening to the podcast in my car. This is a lame excuse, but as modules continued to unlock, I found it hard to sit down and watch them (my problem).
- I also didn't like how many of the initial modules were focused on setting up a website and web-based services. While these things are great, they often don't quickly lead to deals and take a fair amount of time to set up.
Why I canceled:
- I finally figured out on my own what everyone experienced here on BP has been saying: Wholesaling is hard - really hard. To create a sustainable marketing campaign you have to pay to play. Some things you can do yourself, but you're either going to have to fork out cash or spend large amounts of your personal time for months until you get a deal.
- My grades and focus on dentistry (I'm a dental student) were slipping. For my wife this was a red flag and we had a conversation about what needs to happen for our family. I was convincing myself that I could make enough money through real estate on the side so that we wouldn't have to take out loans this summer when my pregnant wife stops teaching school so she can stay at home to raise our baby.
In the end, I've realized that more student loans aren't the end of the world and that I need to focus on increasing my earning potential through schooling. My wife was also gracious enough to say "you can blame it on me when you tell you're friends that you're pulling out of real estate, so you don't feel embarrassed." She supported me for a while in RE and has provided me with a graceful way out - I've got a keeper!
So this is actually a temporary good-buy to real estate investing for me. I've learned a lot through BP, books, and podcasts and actually gave a presentation to my classmates about the decision to 'Lease, Buy, or Build Your Commercial RE as a Dentist.'
I'll keep listening to the BP podcast and might pop back on BP to post about whether we sell or rent our current home once I've finished dental school and go off to the Army, but I thought I at least owed you all an update on my brief experience with F2F and wholesaling.
It sounds like you have a very realistic attitude towards all of this, and I have a feeling that if and when you're ready to jump back in, you'll do very well (success very much depends on understanding the challenges that lie ahead).
While it may not seem like it, you've made significant progress and are further along in your investing than a lot of people ever get. I hope you don't feel like you're still at the beginning, because you've already overcome some major psychological hurdles.
Good luck, and thanks for the update. Hopefully others will read this before they jump into wholesaling and will have a more realistic idea of how much work it is to be successful. Again, understanding the challenge that lies ahead is a big part of success.
Great post. Wholesaling is hands down the hardest skill I have ever attempted to master.
I've been taken out at the knees several times and it took me over a year to get my first deal. I am very thankful I never gave up, I love it and I'm built for it but it certainly isn't for everyone.
@Richard Low Wholesaling is Simple, but not easy. Most Guru's try to over complicate the whole process. Wholesaling begins and ends with your marketing campaign to find motivated sellers and making offers on listed properties. Your marketing will be time intensive or cash intensive... Your wholesaling business will thrive or die based on your ability to generate leads.
Wholesaling is a job.. It's a real estate job, but a job none the less. If wholesaling was so simple and easy, then everyone would be doing it. Never stop believing in your dreams...
Agree with Arktavious Sally that marketing is the life blood of this. People pay $$ for seminars that teach them how to "buy" real estate with "no money". What they soon find out is that you cannot buy MARKETING with no $$. If you don't do the marketing, then you need to partner with (buy from) someone who is.
Thank you Richard Low for sharing your experiences and decisions. This was a good post to follow.
Richard, your wife is a wise woman. I have hundreds of clients that are multi family investors and many are dentists. Focus on school and your future career. If you build a good practice. you will have money and time to play the real estate game at a level most are not able to.
I know I'm sort of late to party about F2F, but i was just about to post about Sean Terry. His numbers always seem super inflated to say the least and i was wondering if many people here had any success with his programs and now i know.
Thank you Richard for sharing your experience with the program, Freedom Logic by Sean Terry. I am very interested in partnering with possibly some of his group and his course. I don't remember Sean Terry ever saying that Wholesaling was easy. In fact, from a number of his pod cast he states that it is a numbers game and requires a lot of time, effort and a lot of energy. He also states that without leads (buyers & seller) constantly coming in, you will not succeed in this game of Wholesaling. I believe Sean states that for every 25 leads you MAY get 1 deal or not!!!! You get the idea marketing is not for the faint of heart. Sean speaks of various methods to constantly use to market and will let you know the methods that will save you man power, however, can cost you big money. Jean also shares the methods that don't cost you money and/or a lot, however, will require a LOT of YOUR manpower "time". Sean addresses a market of folks that really no longer want to be 9 to 5 people. I can certainly appreciate you not being very happy with the dripping, if you will, the releasing of the modules, however, this is what was told would happen, as a result of that particular purchase price. While you really did not need all of that beginning stuff, there are persons that actually do and unfortunately at the lowest price, one is not able to skip to their comfort module. I am very interested in the real estate investment soft ware that Jean offers through his program, after all, it's about getting those leads both buyer and seller, that the business of wholesaling thrives and being able to get information and give accurate information quickly. Of course being organized is really important and I know I certainly could use a good method for keeping up with leads etc. Is there anyone that has actually used the Freedom Logic soft ware? Love to hear your experience with it. Thanks for sharing Richard and I certainly wish you and your wife the very best.
I see this post is a few years old, but I just joined this forum again after being a member sometime in the past. I look at all the responses and most are pretty negative when someone asks about a "Guru's" course and I wonder why? Here this person says that he/or she ordered this course "Flip2Freedom' and decided to cancel for reasons that make no sense. Of course u have to market to get the "deals" that u are looking for. You have to go out and make offers if you want to make money. You all are coming down on the creator of the course when u should be telling this young man or woman that he's blaming the wrong person. He's giving up! its not the creator (Sean) fault that he doesn't like a step-by- step approach! I don't even get what his explanation of WHY he QUIT!
He quit for all the things that I thought was necessary to be successful in this biz. Wholesaling is not that hard! You find a motivated seller, get the house under contract, and find a buyer. I find Sean very uplifting and it is good to have someone in the biz doing what they are preaching. I haven't bought anything, due to the fact that a lot of his training is free. And who wouldn't like to have someone hold you by the hand and take you step-by-step, especially if your a newbie in this biz and help you accomplish your goals.
this is why I don't frequent this forum much, because most of you are so negative and maybe that's why a lot of people haven't done much of anything here. Be more positive when someone asks a question about a course or book! Is that so hard??
There is nothing wrong with gaining more knowledge, no matter where it comes from. Learn as much as you can about Wholesaling, Lease Options or whatever it is you looking to accomplish. I just think that this person is not quite ready to move forward, Maybe its his nerves, fear, or whatever, but he needs to not blame the course that he purchased but blame the fear of him not taking advantage.
Maybe its his nerves, fear, or whatever, but he needs to not blame the course that he purchased but blame the fear of him not taking advantage.
First, I find it interesting that you chose to come back to this forum that you dislike after years away from it just to complain that you don't like it. If you don't like it here, why come back? Or perhaps you have another motive?
As for your comments, either you didn't actually read what the OP wrote or your reading comprehension is very low. He didn't blame the course or the creator for his lack of success. The negatives he pointed out about the course were the fact that the creator crippled the less expensive version (to encourage people to get the yearly membership) and the fact that the videos were out of date (he said many of the members complained about that).
He then went on to say that the reasons he quit were that wholesaling was very hard and that he wanted to focus on his primary career. Seems reasonable to me...
Are you disagreeing that wholesaling is hard? How many wholesale deals have you done?
@J Scott They read the OP. It just did not fit into their marketing plan. The message they repeat like a mantra "Wholesaling is not hard." Of course, what they really mean is "if you buy our service it will be easy."
If a person has plenty of money they can easily wholesale deals occasionally. Deals can fall into your lap. But if you want to do it full time, it is very HARD.
I totally agree with you @J Scott. @Dee Jones is complaining BP is negative when he's the one that's being so negative! I've been lurking around here for 6 months listening to podcasts, reading posts and have found this community to be very helpful and uplifting!
I see this post is a few years old, but I just joined this forum again after being a member sometime in the past. I look at all the responses and most are pretty negative when someone asks about a "Guru's" course and I wonder why? Here this person says that he/or she ordered this course "Flip2Freedom' and decided to cancel for reasons that make no sense. Of course u have to market to get the "deals" that u are looking for. You have to go out and make offers if you want to make money. You all are coming down on the creator of the course when u should be telling this young man or woman that he's blaming the wrong person. He's giving up! its not the creator (Sean) fault that he doesn't like a step-by- step approach! I don't even get what his explanation of WHY he QUIT!
He quit for all the things that I thought was necessary to be successful in this biz. Wholesaling is not that hard! You find a motivated seller, get the house under contract, and find a buyer. I find Sean very uplifting and it is good to have someone in the biz doing what they are preaching. I haven't bought anything, due to the fact that a lot of his training is free. And who wouldn't like to have someone hold you by the hand and take you step-by-step, especially if your a newbie in this biz and help you accomplish your goals.
this is why I don't frequent this forum much, because most of you are so negative and maybe that's why a lot of people haven't done much of anything here. Be more positive when someone asks a question about a course or book! Is that so hard??
There is nothing wrong with gaining more knowledge, no matter where it comes from. Learn as much as you can about Wholesaling, Lease Options or whatever it is you looking to accomplish. I just think that this person is not quite ready to move forward, Maybe its his nerves, fear, or whatever, but he needs to not blame the course that he purchased but blame the fear of him not taking advantage.
Your language skills alone make me disregard this post. Biz? U instead of you? At least make an effort, someone you could potentially do business with in future could read this post.
As far as I can tell he has excellent reasons for quitting the program. Im not sure why you would dredge up a post from several years ago to talk badly about someone you probably do not even know.
@Dee Jones I know you mentioned this post is old, but I would argue after 2.5 years it was actually a totally dead thread on this forum. Nobody was thinking about it until you brought it back to life for discussion.
@J Scott is spot on asking what your situation is? I would be interested to hear your success stories and if you have any connection to this Flip2Freedom program. I have never heard of it and I don't flip houses. You seem very passionate about this, so I am curious to hear your story.
Gee do ya think that maybe Dee might be compensated in some way by Sean / F2F? Out doing a little social media "clean up" by responding to old posts that criticized the program?
I'm not blaming Sean as I doubt he asked for anyone to drag that old post back into current day awareness. That doesn't make sense to me.