Fundrise's Democratization of REI is Complete Bullshit

Fundrise's Democratization of REI is Complete Bullshit

Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 10 posts · 2 votes

I ran a NPV and IRR caluclation of Fundrise's expected returns for my $1,200 (assuming $100/ month contribution) over a 5 year horizon. The NPV was negative $1,898 and the IRR was 1.02%. A negative NPV means BAD DEAL.

And now I am hearing Fundrise is exercising some purported right to freeze redemption or withdrawals of units. That makes sense in general for investment REITs but not when the risk is so far from an adequate return for such a liquidity trap. Total crap. Someone please explain to me how democratization of real estate investing meaning a 1% loss (when factoring in a 2% annual inflation)? It doesn't make sense.

I will never put any money with this organization ever again. I would love to see what the management compensation is. While a 1% return is technically better than a money market fund or checking or savings account, this is a FAR CRY from democratization of real estate investing considering they refuse to return money to investors who figure out that they are getting ripped off after investing. 

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
6y

surprised they let you spell out  Bull sheet on this thread.. cool..  the crowd funding space as you know was soup de jour for a while.. Lots of them have had their issues or folded all together.. 

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  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    I just looked up their plans. A very poor version of a syndicated investment meant for people who are not accredited and don't know any better. How can a fund that is primarily a debt fund (like their supplemental income one) pay only 3.5% yield when their quoted expense ratio is only 1%? Doesn't add up at all.

  • Financial Advisor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 294 posts · 165 votes
    6y

    @Account Closed

    They are poor operators. The non-accredited vehicles have a tendency to offer the bottom of the barrel and its a shame. 

    Look up their team too, lots of litigation, internal struggle for power and inadequate leadership. Those same rights normally exist in all syndicates, in the fine print no one likes to read. Unfortunately, exercising that right is traditionally a sign of doom on the horizon caused by insufficient cash flow. Hard to say without transparency (which they lack) what exactly is causing the cash flow problem, but the standard operating procedure is to lock up everyone and orderly unwind so as to avoid being forced to fire sale all assets.

    Good luck and keep us posted...

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y

    surprised they let you spell out  Bull sheet on this thread.. cool..  the crowd funding space as you know was soup de jour for a while.. Lots of them have had their issues or folded all together.. 

  • Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Years ago I analyzed some of their "investments" and they were as if you were looking for the worst RE investments available. Since then I thought they improved some location choices but the rest is probably still muy mal. Good luck !

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Jay Hinrichs ha ha, I think the “bad words” editor only engages the comments, not the heading. That’s bull ****!

    As for Fundrise, I think it’s for chumps 🤬

  • Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Hello friends and colleagues, as a follow up to my earlier post:

    Over the past month I realized that just because I have the opinion that Fundrise doesn't seem like a good fit for me at this point, does not mean Fundrise isn't an investment that could work for others.

    I researched the founder a little deeper and feel that, in principle, he has noble goals to bring CRE investing to regular folks, and is dutifully executing them as such by means of Fundrise. Assuming long term solvency, if retail investors have access to CRE projects it stands to reason that they will get access to a more diversified return than dumping everything in their 401k.

    It will be very interesting to see how the crowdfunding market and respective regulatory apparatuses evolve over the next few decades.

  • Investor · Member since 2019 · 74 posts · 70 votes
    6y

    If fundrise doesn't provide good return to the investors, does it mean that fundrise company itself is a good investment? I think they are doing internet public offering. Maybe buying shares of the company is a better investment?

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