Journal of a New Investor

Journal of a New Investor

Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes

Hello BP!

Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Christopher Malone, and I am a new investor in Chicago, IL. I have been a member of BP for a few months now, and from the time I made my first post, I have learned a lot from this site and the kind people who have taken the time to read and answer my post.

Thanks to this site and the great support, I have created a plan (road map) for the success of my investing career. I took time and created a list of goals that I will be pushing towards between Sep 5th and the end of the year. Becoming more active and giving back to the BiggerPockets forms was one of them.

So this brings me to why I am creating this thread today. In order to deliver on 2 goals with one action, I will be posting my process (on a month to month basis), leading up to and after my first deal. This way, I can give back to the forms through my success and mistakes, and hold myself accountable for my goals. I am no @Wendell, @JScott, etc, and I probably won’t be closing a deal a week, but I will do my best to provide information for all of the new investors with the steps I take in the growth of my business! :-)

So without further delay, this is my September Recap,

I got married!!! One August 31, 2014 (Not really September, but bear with me…) I married my beautiful and supportive wife Brittany. We took an amazing week honeymoon vacation to Montego Bay, Jamaica, and boy did I need it. I had the chance to finish reading the E-Myth by Michael E. Gerber and decided it was time to take action.

On the way back, I decided that the following week, September 12th (Pay day) would be the day I signed up for classes to become a licensed real estate broker. I had the money to start anytime, but I wasn’t sure if it would be the right thing to do. About 5mins later, I received an Email. It was another automated listing Email from my real estate agent, that once again, was nowhere near what I was looking for to pursue as my 1st buy and hold investment. That was it, I was done. I grabbed my iPad and looked for a Real Estate school that provided online classes, and signed up on the 5th. This began my one of my goals to pass both the national and state real estate exam 1 month from the time I signed up.

September 16th was my Birthday! I officially turned 27. It was also the same day as the Chicago Meet up. I didn’t get the chance to attend the meet up or celebrate my B-day due to my obsession of becoming licensed. I celebrated with my wife over the following weekend and I will be attending October’s meet up (Can’t wait).

After completing the 75 hours of self study, I signed up for the following September 20th and 27th 7 ½ interactive class study. I was fortunate to attend a class that contained 2 other local investors that I now communicate with often, one is an Investor that got burned in the market crash and looking to make a comeback and the other is a very energetic young lady with a lot of great ideas in her investing business. The most interesting in the class was the instructor. Not only is does he have over 40 years of experience, but he is very passionate about agents becoming and working with investors! He is also an Investor, Managing Broker, Real Estate Attorney, CPA Member of the AMP board that creates the test questions for the State test, Board member of the NAREB (National Association of Real Estate Brokers) and also an Insurance agent (Collects commission for selling homeowners insurance to himself and others). Talk about eat, sleeping and breathing Real Estate!

I managed to have a 1 on 1 conversation with him and learned a ton in the 30min conversation, we have plans to meet up again in the near future over a steak dinner (My treat), and discuss more real estate and other topics.

After the last class on the September 27th I took the school exam that following Monday and aced it! I waited a week to take the State and National exam on October 7th. I passed both! And that wraps up the 1st month of my journey!

I am currently spending this month searching for a sponsoring broker (tougher than the exam IMO) and getting my financing together. Next steps include, learning the MLS, researching my farm area, and finding a creditable local property manager to pass my rent ready products to.

Thanks for reading my incredibly long, boring, post! Stay tuned for next month’s post!

Chris  

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Investor · Fairview Heights, IL · Member since 2008 · 189 posts · 62 votes
12y

I would suggest also talk to Keller realty firms.  They are very oriented friendly investors firms. My understanding is they will let you operate both sides of realty and investors. Can possibly operate as wholesalers also. Do check this out...............

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  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    12y

    Hi Chris,

    You seem to be on your way. Remember FOCUS. Block out all the noise. As you are new you will get hit with tons of paths to go down and try.

    Find out what you want and stick to it.

    For instance is it working with investors?? If so residential ones, commercial ones?? Value add properties, stabilized properties?? Flippers or buy and hold etc.??

    If you are laser focused  you can get much farther down a specific path then walking back and forth and get a little ways down a lot of paths.

    All the best. 

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    Thank you for your reply @Joel Owens , I spoke to the Managing Broker at Century 21, the location of the Real Estate school. In our conversation, I made a point to inform him that I am not looking to make this my new job. I am only interested in building a portfolio of buy and hold investments, and I will probably only be closing 1-2 deals a year starting off.  He still seemed interested in working with me, but I will spend this week interviewing and weighing my options. 

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    12y

    @Christopher Malone - Congrats!  Sounds like you are off to a great start and have the focus and passion to pull this through!

    As far as finding a MB I suggest speaking with smaller independent agencies.  They are usually much more flexible and do not have the brand fees for using their names.  

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    Thank you @Brie Schmidt , this was going to be my first question for you at the up coming meet up! I am going to speak to the managing brokers at @Properties and Kale Realty this week. I am also researching smaller local independent brokers, but I am afraid that the training and tools they use may not be as good as a bigger independent firm.   

  • Investor · Fairview Heights, IL · Member since 2008 · 189 posts · 62 votes
    12y

    I would suggest also talk to Keller realty firms.  They are very oriented friendly investors firms. My understanding is they will let you operate both sides of realty and investors. Can possibly operate as wholesalers also. Do check this out...............

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @James Enright Thank you for your suggestion, I will definitely look into them as well!  

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    12y

    Welcome to biggerpockets.

    Two quick suggestions:

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    Try locating a brokerage who does not handle listing " HUD " properties.

    Reason: it limits you as investor on purchasing HUD properties.

    Second maybe go through @Wendell De Guzman thread posts.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @Ramon Jenkins I enjoy reading Wendell's updates every week, he shares a ton of knowledge. Thank you for tip! 

  • Flipper / Rehabber / Real Estate Investor · Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2012 · 392 posts · 77 votes
    12y

    Welcome @Christopher Malone 

    Don't forget to set up your key word searches (i.e., for "Chicago"!) to gather more intel and make additional connections with folks in your market.

  • Real Estate Lender and Broker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 966 posts · 500 votes
    12y

    Christopher,

    I grew up in Chicago on the northwest side.  Where are you looking to work?

    Mark

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @Mark Creason I have been looking at some zip codes on the North side of Chicago, and a few zip codes on the south side. One of the reasons I got licensed is to have access to the MLS and and utilize all of the information to research and narrow down a farm area.

  • Real Estate Lender and Broker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 966 posts · 500 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Christopher Malone:

    I like more areas on the near south side.  Near Comisky Park preferably east of the Dan Ryan.  Pricing is reasonable and there is available product.

    Mark
  • Contractor / Flipper · Hayward, CA · Member since 2014 · 195 posts · 86 votes
    12y

    Christopher:

    BIG congrats to you on both your marriage and passing the license. Good job. 

    You inspire me to refocus on my classes. I got side tracked by ... bigger pockets forum. Hehehe. Talking about pointing fingers!!! :)

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @Nhi Nguyen Thank you, and thanks again for taking the time to read my post!

    If I can inspire at least one person through this thread, the way I have been inspired by reading the forms, it will be well worth it. I admit, I was a victim of analysis paralysis, but my agent motivated me when I was going to take another week to think about taking action. 

    Thanks for your post!  

  • Real Estate Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2014 · 40 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    Congrats on your journey thus far!!!

  • Real Estate Investor · Adelaide, South Australia · Member since 2014 · 36 posts · 25 votes
    12y

    This is great Nhi, I would like to keep reading your updates.  I am new to Bigger Pockets, this is my second post in fact.  How do I keep up with your progress, is there a way I can subscribe?

  • Flipper / Rehabber / Real Estate Investor · Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2012 · 392 posts · 77 votes
    12y

    Hi @Linda Quinton , if you "follow" the person you're interested in you'll see what they post.  You can keep track of them that way.

    PS - Good to see a fellow Aussie on BP (although I'm only a citizen by descent)!

  • Real Estate Investor · Adelaide, South Australia · Member since 2014 · 36 posts · 25 votes
    12y

    Thanks Larry :-)

    I am hoping to find several Aussies on here. 

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @David McEwan Thanks! I still have a long way ahead and i'm excited to share it with you all.

    @Linda Quinton You can monitor the topic by clicking on the tab above (Next to Start New Topic) or below the tread on the left side of the Post Reply tab. 

    Thank you for your time and interest! I will keep you posted with both, the good and the bad.

  • Real Estate Investor · Adelaide, South Australia · Member since 2014 · 36 posts · 25 votes
    12y

    Oh, sorry for calling you Nhi!  Ooops. 

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    @Linda Quinton No worries :) 

  • Midland, MI · Member since 2014 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    12y
    Congrats Christopher Malone ! Being able to follow you is awesome. Thank and keep up the posts.
  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    Thank you @Brandon S. Lewis ! I will be posting on a month to month basis for now. As my business organically grows, I will post more often. I hope I can provide you with helpful information. 

    Chris 

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 110 posts · 33 votes
    12y

    Congrats on getting started @Christopher Malone !

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 179 posts · 122 votes
    12y

    Hello BP!

    I have to say, it has definitely been an interesting, but productive month. I can definitely realized that I must work on asking better questions. I found myself, too often, not asking questions correctly the first time and either getting answers I am not looking for, or confusing the person I am asking. This is definitely an important skill and is vital to my networking experience. So without further delay, here is my October update.

    If you checked my previous post (which if your reading this I am sure you did) I pasted my RE exam on 10/9 and received my 45 day sponsor card. I took the time to research sponsoring brokers in my area, both commercial and independent and scheduled interviews with each. I order to narrow down my search, I took the following steps.

    • 1.Go to realtor.com
    • 2.Select Find Realtors at the top of the page
    • 3.Enter your City and Select Advanced Search, and select Companies
    • 4.Select companies and google them, or call and ask questions
    • Note. You can also select Advanced on the left side toolbar and select “With Profile Photo”.
    • This helped me narrow down my search a bit. Hope this helps!

    On 10/12, I interviewed with the sponsoring broker (Broker 1) where my 2 Saturday RE classes took place. I was very honest with what I wanted to do with my RE license, and made it very clear that I have no interest in being a full-time agent. I explained to him that I may only do one or two deals a year, and will probably help a friend or family member find or sell a home from time to time. He understood and we had a great conversation. He even took the time to show my a few things on the MLS. We also discussed his time as an investor and he really showed an interest in what I am trying to accomplish.

    On 10/13, I interviewed broker 2. This was a short exchange. I filled out the online application, and short received an Email asking me to; Bring my resume, write a brief paragraph as to why I am interested in selling properties, and also fill out a list with 100 people who may be interested in buying property. (Yeah… No…) I immediately replied to the email. I asked if they had part-time agents on staff, and briefly explained what I was looking to do with my license. The gentleman replied back letting me know that they are only interested in Full-time agents, and I thanked him for his time and consideration.

    On 10/14, I did a phone interview with broker 3. Like broker 2, I was bombarded with a 15min introduction as to why I would be a great salesman if I joined. After my 5 min explanation of what I am using my license for, the nice lady kindly told me that they are only looking for full-time salesman at this time.

    On 10/15, I interviewed with Broker 4 and later Broker 5. The interesting thing about broker 4 was the approach. The conversation didn’t start with a pitch, the recruiting manager simply asked, “How can we help you in your business?” Interested at this point, I explained why I am interested in real estate, and why I took the step to get my license in the first place. He listened and recommended me to a website that he said would be perfect for a new investor like me. That site was, BiggerPockets.com (Say what!?!). I explained to him that I currently use the site and BP is the reason why I made it this far. He told me that he is also a member, and also the owner/sponsoring broker is a member of BP and an active investor who has a goal of closing a deal every quarter! (Pinch me, I’m dreaming) I had a brief, but great conversation with the sponsoring broker who gave me some great advice, and welcomed me to contact him to talk RE.

    Unfortunately broker 5 had a tough act to follow. I sat down with the sponsoring broker and things started off great. She asked what I am trying to accomplish as a licensed agent, and I explained to her what I am trying to accomplish. I am only looking to close deals for myself primarily. I am interested in using the MLS to find, negotiate, and close my own purchases to hold and rent for cash flow. I am not interested in quitting my full-time job I currently have, as when I do leave, it will be to live off of my cash flow and spend my time and travel with my wife and future kids. I do not have an interest in becoming a full time agent. She understood and thought it was a great idea for me to be interested in investing and she stated that she had quite a few "flippers" on her roster. (Wait, what?) She told me that now is a great time to buy low and sell high, and I should also look into spec building. She then went into explain how I should build a team of assistants to bring me leads, and sell my properties, etc. Somehow the conversation turned into a pitch/pep talk to become a full-time agent. I checked out after she made if painfully clear that she did not listen to a word I said.

    Before making my final decision, I cold called an agent with broker 4 to see how their current experience was with them. I did it off of impulse, and was pleasantly surprised that I did not get hung up on. (Still embarrassed about this) In fact, he was very nice and gave me, what seemed to be, his honest opinion.

    My mind was made up. I collected all of the materials needed by IDFPR and on 10/20 joined broker 4. Broker 4 is a 100% commission, independent brokerage. The charge 49.00 per month, 150.00 per year for EMO and 299.00 or 10% (whichever is lower than the commission) on every closed transaction. This works out better for me as there are no other fees besides joining the Realtors Association (1600.00 1st year fee due all upfront. Then 1000.00 per year than can be broken down) I signed all the papers and received access to ZIllow's rental MLS. I have not paid to join the MLS yet, as I need a few weeks to have the funds, but that will change soon.

    On 10/21, I attended the Chicago Meet up, Hosted by Brie Schmidt and I was great. I got the chance to briefly speak with Wendell De Guzman, as well as some other great experienced investors in the Chicago area. I also spoke with Brie and received some great advice and ideas. I always come away from this meet up with something positive, and if you have not yet attended one, you have no idea what your missing!

    On 10/23, I paid a visit to the two credit unions that I am apart of to inquire about getting a HELOC on the home my wife and I purchased last year in august from a short sale. If everything goes well, I will have access to 30-50k (depending on the appraisal) to help fund my first purchase. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.

    I spent 10/24 to 10/28 (today) looking for a property management company that will manage my rent ready properties, and sort of guide me in the right direction when it comes to farm areas. On 10/27 during my 2nd play through of the BP podcast, I came across show 72, and later realized that I should reach out to Mr. Mark Ainley. Without a second thought, I did and he responded quicker than I expected, it was great! We met this morning 10/28 and had an awesome hour long conversation. I am happy to say that I may not have walked away with a PM Service, but I left with something far more valuable. I have potentially gained a mentor, and a good friend, and I am extremely happy I took the step to reach out. Thank you @Joshua D. and @Brandon Turner and everyone on BP!

    Thanks a lot for sticking with me through yet another long boring newbie post. Either way, other new investors will have motivation as to "what to do", or "what not to do". I will continue to post monthly updates leading up to my first deal. My next step is to continue looking for potential PM's, closing on my HELOC, and getting searching more areas for good deals.

    Special thanks to, @Brie Schmidt @Mark Ainley @Wendell De Guzman, @Ramon Jenkins and everyone who gave me advice and guidance thus far!

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