Most Recent Flip, $58K Profit, Pics and Numbers

Most Recent Flip, $58K Profit, Pics and Numbers

Real Estate Investor · Nashville TN · Member since 2009 · 287 posts · 171 votes

Wish more could be like this one.  Info below.

Purchase: 119k

Rehab: approx 67k

Sell: 263k

Net profit: $58k (really good one)

How I got it: wholesaler

More details below

Pics below

Final Reconciliation
Time from start to finish (in months)4.13
Time from start to finish (in % of year)34.40%
Cash from Borrower (Line 303 on HUD) 18303.84
Add back earnest money deposit if I sent one100
Total cash to purchase 18403.84
Less whatever commission I received- with the admin fee of $395 taken off of the total commission amount0
Cash to purcahse less commission (final total amount of cash invested to purchase)18403.84
Add
Rehab Costs66678.83
Utility Costs @ 80/mo330.4
Mist Costs @ $1K1000
Total Cash Costs Not Including Interest86413.07
Interest- subtract my Eagle unused interest payments from the interest reserve; add the interest payments I made for hard money4480
Total Cash Costs Including Interest (subtract for Eagle, add for hard money)90893.07
Cash to seller (Line 603 on HUD)149757.36
Any commissions I received when selling0
Cash to seller plus any commissions I received (my net cash at sale)149757.36
Net Profit$58,864
Return on cash65%
Annualized return on cash188%
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Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 688 votes
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Nice. Anytime i complete a flip and get a check, i always think about what others have to do to earn that kind of money and become grareful
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  • Investor · Roanoke, VA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 374 votes
    11y

    really nice job

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    11y

    great job.. that's a super profit given the size of the deal. !!!

  • Reston, VA · Member since 2013 · 27 posts · 3 votes
    11y

    @Jonathan C. Very nice work.  I'm impressed! 

  • Residential Agent And Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2013 · 212 posts · 83 votes
    11y

    Very nice job. How does this profit compare to your typical flip?

  • Investor · Washington, Washington D.C. · Member since 2012 · 240 posts · 168 votes
    11y

    Thank you for posting the nitty-gritty numbers. Very interesting and helpful. 

    Yes that little house cleaned up pretty well. Hardly recognizable, really. 

    Please post more of same when you can!

  • Contractor · Rockville, MD · Member since 2014 · 423 posts · 135 votes
    11y

    Awesome job and even better that it's a local one!

  • Real Estate Investor · Nashville TN · Member since 2009 · 287 posts · 171 votes
    11y

    @Matt Morgan usual profit is what seems to be pretty typical for rehab- about 23-25K, so this one was quite a bit more.  That's how it works though I've found... I'll get a little lucky and have a 50-60k deal every 4-5 deals and then get unlucky and have like a 2-10K deal every 5-6 deals, so it kind of all averages out to around the 25K mark.  

    My general rule of thumb going in when deciding whether or not to do a flip is 10% return on total capital- purchase price, renovation cost, holding costs, selling costs, etc (all the costs). That way it accounts for the size of the property I'm buying.  I'm OK with smaller profit on a property where the all in cost is $150k than all in costs $250k, for example.

  • Kenneth HynesPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Easton, PA · Member since 2013 · 359 posts · 92 votes
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    @Jonathan C. 

     Great work and very inspiring .  One question. 

    In the description you mentioned the lead came via wholesaler, but in the financial paperwork it appears ( to a relative newbie like me) that it was a HUD home purchase. Did you get it straight off the HUD website ?

    ken

  • Real Estate Investor · Frankfurt, Germany · Member since 2014 · 48 posts · 12 votes
    11y

    Wow, nice work! I think the kitchen looks awesome!

  • Investor · Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2012 · 627 posts · 204 votes
    11y

    Congratulations!  How much of the work did you do yourself? 

  • Real Estate Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 27 posts · 58 votes
    11y

    Great  job. Can you post your number in the format below . I like to see how it was structure.

    Calculating Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO)

    The formula we use for determining the most that you can pay for a wholesale-able or retail house is:

    ARV – Rehab – B/S/H – Your Profit – Investor Buyer Profit=Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO)

    After Repaired ValueMinus

    Rehab Costs Minus

    Buy/Sell/Hold Costs Minus

    Profit EqualsMaximum Allowable Offer

    **Note: if this is a house you are going to renovate and retail yourself (as opposed to wholesaling it “as-is” to another investor), then you'd simply leave out the "Investor Buyer Profit" in the above formula, since the only Investor involved is you.

    ARV is determined using comparable sales or what is commonly referred to as "comps."Be sure to "drive" your comps to make sure they truly are comparable to the house you're considering.You want to make sure that the other houses are roughly similar in size, age, and style to the one that you are considering.You should use sales data that is no older than one year (the more recent, the better), nor more than one mile from the subject property. For even more accuracy, we choose to only use comps that are 1/3 mile away or less, with sales dates within the last six months.Sometimes, even the street can make a difference in the value of a property.If the only comps you have are on very nice streets, but the house you're considering is on a very "distressed" street, then you have to reduce the ARV.How much is an appropriate reduction is a judgment call on your part.You'll want to base that call on how much of a discount will be necessary to entice the final owner/occupant to buy this property over one they can get on the "better" street.

    If the comparable sale that you are using is too different from the subject property, then it is of little value.If you use it in your sales marketing, you’ll lose credibility with your Investor Buyers.An example of a poor comparable is when your subject property is an old cottage fixer-upper, and you compare it to the sale of a brand new in-fill (an in-fill is a new house built on a vacant lot in an otherwise established neighborhood).

    Rehab dollars vary according to level and detail of the job – everyone has a different formula.As a wholesaler, we suggest a middle-of-the-road approach for estimating enough rehab dollars to get the subject property to look like the comps.You'll need to spend more on rehab as the ARV increases.Logically,buyers like more ‘pretty-ness', higher-end fixtures, cabinets, etc. when they're paying $200,000 vs. when they're only paying $100,000 for a house.

    Buy/Sell/Hold costs are all of the costs associated with:

    üThe purchase (loan origination fees, title insurance, attorney fees, survey, appraisals, etc);

    üThe sale (real estate agent commissions, marketing and advertising, closing costs paid by the Seller); and

    üHolding the property (mortgage interest, utilities, taxes, insurance, etc.).

    These costs vary greatly for each buyer, but our experience shows that a Buy/Sell/Hold cost of 15% of ARV (0.15 times the ARV) is a safe number to use.If you wholesale the property, you may never purchase the property.In this event, all of these costs are passed on to your Investor Buyer.Therefore, you can subtract your additional B/S/H costs from the MAO formula. Your Buy/Sell/Hold costs will not be 15% because you will not incur long holding times, nor pay real estate commissions, nor closing costs when you sell.You can probably use about $1,500 for your B/S/H for one of these deals, unless your cost of getting the financing was very high.

    Profit is quite simply how much YOU want to make in the deal as well as how much you want to leave in the deal for an Investor Buyer.Your profit can range from $3,000 to $30,000 with a typical average in many areas of $5,000 - $15,000.You have to consider all of the costs you incur in marketing and processing all of the deals, along with the time you spend to get a deal, and determine what all that is worth to you.This will affect your MAO, so know your number before you negotiate.If you under-value your profit, it won't take long for you to realize the reward isn't worth the time and effort.If you over-value your profit, then you'll severely limit the number of deals you find.On the other hand, this profit determination is just for the MAO calculation.If you negotiate under your MAO, all that extra profit is yours to keep or to split with your Investor Buyer to make a wholesale deal more attractive.

    Finally, remember to leave extra room in case you have to negotiate with your Investor Buyer and you do not get the price you anticipate.Also, sometimes title issues come up or other issues with the property that are easier for you to just pay for than to try to reconcile with all the parties.You want to have enough room to be able to handle those things.

    The Investor Buyer’s Profit which we recommend that you build in (i.e. “leave on the table” for the investor) is generally $1.00 - $1.25 for every dollar of rehab, but not less than $10,000 nor much more than $30,000.For example, if your rehab estimate is $16,000, you’d leave $16,000 - $20,000 for the Investor Buyer’s profit.If the rehab estimate is $5,000, you’d leave the minimum $10,000 Investor Buyer’s profit.Finally, if your rehab estimate was $40,000, you’d leave the maximum of $30,000 for the Investor Buyer’s profit.

    Once you have determined all of the numbers and do your calculation, you’ll have the Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO).This is the most you will pay for the house.It is the deal breaker.The stop point.The MAO is not where you start negotiating … it’s where you STOP negotiating.Every dollar you negotiate below the MAO is additional PROFIT in YOUR pocket.

    We always say “go for the MIN-O: the Minimum Offer the Seller will accept."In other words, start negotiating well below your MAO, and work up if you have to.You can always add to the price you'll pay; but it's very hard to subtract once you've given the Seller a figure.

    **Please Note:one thing that the MAO does not take into account is anything odd about the house that might make it harder to sell … things like a busy street, ugly surrounding homes, a nearby commercial property, etc.In these cases, you have to think about how much the final price will have to be reduced to get it to sell.Make sure you either reduce your ARV or increase your Investor Buyer's profit by that amount, thus appropriately reducing your offer to the Seller.

    MAO Calculation Example:

    Let's say that you did all of your homework, and decided that after evaluating all the comparable sales data, you've determined that the ARV for your subject property is $140,000.Based on your evaluation of the property, you determined it would take about $15,000 to get it to look like all of the comps.

    To calculate the B/S/H, you take the $140,000 ARV, and multiplied it by 15% which equals $21,000 [$140,000 x .15 = $21,000].

    You decided that your profit should be $10,000 as the Assignment Fee for a wholesale.The Investor Buyer’s profit is calculated by multiplying the Rehab costs by $1.25 to get $19,000 [$15,000 x $1.25 = $18,750].

    Now, plug all these figures into the MAO formula and you calculate that the most you can offer on this property is $75,000.

    ARV:$140,000

    Rehab:$15,000

    B/S/H:$21,000

    Profit (you):$10,000Assignment Fee

    Profit (buyer):$19,000

    MAO$75,000

    But you’re a great negotiator and the Seller agreed to a $71,000 purchase price. That means you just added $4,000 to YOUR profit – just by talking!

    Please note:You may want to double-check your MAO formula with a much simpler, "big picture" formula:

    Wholesale/Retail MAO should be:

    60-70% of ARV minus Rehab Expenses

    Finally, the formula we use for determining the most that you can pay for a property you are going to hold as a rental property is (in monthly figures):

    Rent you will receive – Taxes/Insurance/Utilities that you will pay for tenant – Maintenance savings (6 – 10% of rent) – Vacancy savings (8% of rent) – Desired Cash Flow =

    Mortgage Payment (Principal and Interest ONLY)

  • Investor · Stamford, CT · Member since 2012 · 247 posts · 63 votes
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    @Jonathan C., that's a great rehab! Just curious, what was the bedroom/bath count? Did you add any to increase the ARV? (I ask because the house looks small from the pics.)

    This encourages me, because I'm about to close on a flip with almost the same numbers (purchase, rehab & ARV)!

  • Real Estate Investor · Waukegan, IL · Member since 2013 · 367 posts · 80 votes
    11y

    @Jonathan C. I want to be like you when I grow up.

  • Real Estate Investor · Waldorf, MD · Member since 2014 · 592 posts · 320 votes
    11y

    I'm not going to lie!!  I'm going to join the band wagon and say...FREAKING AWESOME!!  Winner Winner T-bone Steak Dinner!!  You've upgraded from a chicken dinner to steak!!  This project will push you over the edge!  You'll have ton of BP investors trying to work with you on future deals.  If you every need a FREE apprentice let me know.  I'll let you know what skill set I have to offer.

    Good Job Jay!!

  • Rego Park, NY · Member since 2014 · 43 posts · 6 votes
    11y

    Nice job @Jonathan C. . Looks like you did all the necessary upgrades with the kitchen and bathroom. Was this place a 3/1 or a 2/1? Did you purchase this place in the DC area? Also, what were the comps in the area that you purchased this place? I want to know your thought process behind all this. I always find it amazing when people share their success stories.

  • Wholesaler · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2013 · 84 posts · 14 votes
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    @Jonathan C. Great job man!!

  • Monroe, MI · Member since 2014 · 22 posts · 7 votes
    11y

    Wow! This is nothing short of amazing!!!! Great job!!

  • Park City, UT · Member since 2014 · 45 posts · 18 votes
    11y

    Wow, that looks really nice!

  • Engineer · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2014 · 20 posts · 4 votes
    11y

    Great job @Jonathan C. - I the big impact you can make even with limited square footage!

  • Involved In Real Estate · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2014 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    11y

    Awesome!  Truly inspiring for me as I start out in the Flipping world.  Can't wait to post my success story!  Good Luck with the year...you will exceed your goals.

  • Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    11y

    great job!!!

  • Fayetteville, AR · Member since 2014 · 1 post · 0 votes
    11y

    Tell me how you get someone to pay 263k for roughly a 1k sqft?  Especially that close to neighboring homes minus updates.   Is there something in that particular neighbor hood that I missing by the picture?

    I just don't get the math.  Thats over $250 sf...

    Please expalin as I would do this all day long for that type of sf #'s

  • Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2014 · 10 posts · 6 votes
    11y

    Great Job Jonathan!

    Kevin W. It's all about location location location that determines the market value & second to that it's the quality of a flip that drives the value. 

  • Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 664 posts · 231 votes
    11y

    Very nice work. We used the same tile in the bathrooms of our last three remodels. It gives a very sophisticated appearance.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    11y

    Great! I just graduated college and am looking to flip homes this year. How did you gather your first several hundreds to purchase your first deal? 

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