Just nailed the closing of my second property with $0 out of pocket!

Just nailed the closing of my second property with $0 out of pocket!

Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes

Over the years, I have built a great relationship with my attorney.  He is my fathers attorney (by coincidence believe it or not), my mentors attorney, and has closed on a personal property of mine as well as my 1st investment property.  Over the years, I have done some home audio/video work for him as well as sold his BMW that he couldnt sell conventionally through a car-lot his friend owned.  This was imperative to building my credibility.  He has lent my mentor money for his investments and offered to review my first investment if I wanted too at the time.  I paid for the first one with cash as well as financed the renovations so thought I should keep this all mine while I could - this should be ready to rent within 2 weeks or so.  When this new house became available, my mentor and I walked through and immediately went to him to discuss financing.  We agreed per the numbers below in exchange for a lien on both properties.

Here are the numbers for this SFH:

$36,000 Purchase / $80,000 ARV

$3000 closing costs

$4000 holding costs for 5 months minimum

$55,000 Loan at 8.5% interest only with 0 points

Approx. $10-15k in renovations needed.  I have a 0% credit card till October of 2015 which will give me time to refinance to a 20yr conventional.

Here is the rental worksheet:

$850 per month income

-58.33 Insurance

-208.00 taxes

-280.00 loan once refinanced

-85.00 vacancy

-85.00 maintenance

$133 cash flow per month

Very cool!  Thanks for all the support BP!

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Real Estate Agent · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 5 votes
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  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 18 votes
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    Congratulations on the WIN!  Love hearing about the successes of others as it keeps other newer investors motivated!

  • Investor · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 190 votes
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    Congratulations @Justin C. 

  • Realtor · Virginia Beach, VA (Virginia Beach) · Member since 2015 · 21 posts · 5 votes
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    Great news, Justin!  And I echo the words of Timothy--it really does keep new investors (me) motivated.  Very happy for you!

  • Real Estate Agent · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 5 votes
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    When you do good things they will return.

  • South Richmond Hill, NY · Member since 2015 · 18 posts · 4 votes
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    Congrats! Good to hear BP member success stories!

  • Investor · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 3 votes
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    Congrats Justin C. !! Thanks for sharing!
  • La Vergne, TN · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 4 votes
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    congratulations, I am working on my first deal, hope it works out. Having help from a partner always helps.

  • Investor · Neptune, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1 post · 0 votes
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    Justin, i am happy for you and much continued success in your endeavors. Time for # 3 :-)

  • Rental Property Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2013 · 64 posts · 13 votes
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    It's inspiring to hear success stories such as yours. 0-down is not as elusive as I thought. 

    I also love the use of balance transfers for real estate investments...except in my case it has been for notes. Works out great if the ROI is greater than the 3% transaction fee and 0% interest. That 3% can translate to just 1.5% if you have 2 years to repay the balance. This only works if we keep the payments on-time otherwise the rate can sky rocket.

  • Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2009 · 41 posts · 4 votes
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    I would personally need a little more positive cash flow in my pocket a month. But congratulations on your 2nd property. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Foxboro, MA · Member since 2014 · 32 posts · 15 votes
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    Congrats!

  • Fresno, TX · Member since 2015 · 3 posts · 0 votes
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    Congratulations Awesome news.

    Where did the money from the closing cost come from?

    What did you use the credit card for? 

    Was the funding from the Private investor? 

  • Investor · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2013 · 658 posts · 315 votes
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      With little or no money in the deal, I would be happy with anything over $100/mo cash flow, and that's with a 30 year loan.

    Is there some reason you are using 20 year loans?  A 30 year will give you more cash flow and a better debt to income ratio for future loans.

    Congrats on the deal and good luck with future purchases.

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Brant Richardson:

      With little or no money in the deal, I would be happy with anything over $100/mo cash flow, and that's with a 30 year loan.

    Is there some reason you are using 20 year loans?  A 30 year will give you more cash flow and a better debt to income ratio for future loans.

    Congrats on the deal and good luck with future purchases.

     Hi Brant,

    I'm chosing a 20 because its a good compromise between being done with a loan quickly and no cashflow vs. drawing out the loan little longer and having decent cashflow.  Just don't want to be in it for 30yrs.  Nothing more than that honestly.

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Leotis Hightower:

    Congratulations Awesome news.

    Where did the money from the closing cost come from?

    What did you use the credit card for? 

    Was the funding from the Private investor? 

     Hi Leotis,

    The loan from the attorney was for $55k which covered purchase, closing, holding, and most of the renovations.  The credit card is for the remainder of the renovations which is 0% till October.  This will give me plenty of time to renovate and refinance.  

    Let me know if you have any other questions!

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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    Congrats! That looks like a very good deal, best of luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Allen Lucas:

    I would personally need a little more positive cash flow in my pocket a month. But congratulations on your 2nd property. 

    Hi Allen, dude... I have $0 out of pocket. $0. Whats the cash on cash return when you have 0 cash in the deal and $1800p/y cash flow? Nevermind the 35% discount by the time its all said and done. These are great numbers for a SFH : )

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Joe C.:

    It's inspiring to hear success stories such as yours. 0-down is not as elusive as I thought. 

    I also love the use of balance transfers for real estate investments...except in my case it has been for notes. Works out great if the ROI is greater than the 3% transaction fee and 0% interest. That 3% can translate to just 1.5% if you have 2 years to repay the balance. This only works if we keep the payments on-time otherwise the rate can sky rocket.

     Thanks Joe

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Stephen Qualls:

    congratulations, I am working on my first deal, hope it works out. Having help from a partner always helps.

     Good luck Stephen : )  Having a supportive realtor and mentor is a big plus but honestly, its the will power to figure sh't out that makes it happen.  Thanks!

  • Real Estate Professional · Burr Ridge, IL · Member since 2014 · 38 posts · 1 vote
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    Congrats Justin:

    I am new bie and still looking for good deal.

    Keep up the good work

  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2015 · 99 posts · 35 votes
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    Great story, how did you get cash out of credit card or renovations or other cost, that usually considered cash advance?

  • Greenville, SC · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 0 votes
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    congrats, Iam working investment house , so I do some update  then  put on market for sell soon 

  • Fresno, TX · Member since 2015 · 3 posts · 0 votes
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    Justin C thanks for the response. Finding private investors is the key.

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @Leotis Hightower:

    Justin C thanks for the response. Finding private investors is the key.

    Building great relationships is the key : ) 

  • Rental Property Investor · NW, PA · Member since 2014 · 174 posts · 39 votes
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    Originally posted by @AJ S.:

    Great story, how did you get cash out of credit card or renovations or other cost, that usually considered cash advance?

    The holding money and a large portion of the renovation money was included in the original loan. I will hold onto this cash and try to only use it for laborers, utilities, taxes, and minimum monthly payments on the credit card. No cash advances needed so far. Remember, I only need to buy myself 5 months or so. Then I will cash out refinance at the ARV value and pay off all debts. Although I do not recommend leveraging credit cards, mine is at 0% and I have a secure plan B if all hell breaks loose.

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