First Deal, Abq NM, SFR, now which exit plan should I choose?

First Deal, Abq NM, SFR, now which exit plan should I choose?

Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes

After months and months of lurking on the site, and a few months of posting, I went and did it.  Property 1 has been closed on.

3 Bedroom 2 Bath 1600 sq feet, 4 types of flooring, a crappy kitchen, a bathroom with a hole rather than a tub, a few holes in the drywall, some crappy wallpaper, and bare slab in the middle of the living room... but I purchased it at 118, and the smaller house (2/1) across the street which was nicely reno'd sold for 175.  The comps didn't include that house, or the larger one (1800 sq ft) down the street listed for 200... but whatever.. one set of comps said 171, the other said 160, 165-170 seems right to me.

That said, it would rent for about 1150/mo, and I was fortunate enough to be in a position to pay cash, so with low property taxes (1800/yr), I have a lot of options on how to profit from it.

Obviously the first things to deal with are the fixes, the major stuff is all good, it's just cosmetic stuff for the most part.  I'm not going to go crazy on the reno, just pretty it up.

So the question is, which of the rather interesting strategies should I go for first, and which are contingencies?

Options:

A. Flip it. Sell it for about 165 (hopefully).  Figure 128k in, 500 in carrying costs, 14000 in closing costs (realtor + other), 23k profit before taxes.  Even if I can only sell it for 150k, I will still make almost 10k I figure.

B. Rent it.  Rent it for 1150, refi out 92k by the end of the month (80% of purchase price), keep 36k sunk in it.  Rent it for a year or five, then sell it assuming that stable ~165k price (not banking on appreciation)  If I did it like this I would have $400/mo (not counting capex) for that time.

C. BRRRR it, refinancing out my 128k in 6 months. That would leave me with about 250/mo before capex.

D. Sell it on contract. 10k down would mean I'd have 2k of that (with how my realtor sells contract houses), monthly payment would be about 1300, maybe a 2 year balloon.  But that would mean my money is tied up for that time. (or if the buyer bails after 6 months I could refi my money out).

E. Rent it for 6mo to a year, refi my cash out, then sell it on a contract.

So, what say you guys?  I'll get some pics this weekend, and keep everyone updated on my progress.

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Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
10y

@Matt Gee I generally put in a ss range, dishwasher, and microwave hood combo.  (Check out 6345 Mendius Abq NM for one of my recent flips as an example)

In rentals, I put in a clean (not necesaarily new)white or black range, dishwasher and a fridge.   Our rental market generally includes a fridge but does not include a washer and dryer.

However, if you put new ss stuff in your rental, it may rent more quickly and you may get a small premium.

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  • Investor/Consultant · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2011 · 175 posts · 41 votes
    11y

    congrats on your first close!!! Whoohooo!!! First things first.  . . .I hope you did (or are planning) some sort of celebration or reward yourself. This HUGE! Sometimes we become all work and no play and we forgot to acknowledge the wins.

    Bravo to you. This is a win :-)

    For exit strategy, I like A or D with these numbers

    Good luck and congrats again

  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    11y

    @Matt Gee congratulations on your first purchase!  It is an extremely gratifying feeling.  With your narrative on condition, I think you will have a hard time getting it flipped and ready as a flip for market for $10k unless you are doing a substantial portion of the rehab yourself.  

    Get some pictures up and that will give us some more information.

    What part of town is this in?

    Again, congratulations and let me know if I can do anything to help.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    11y

    Near NE heights. Juan Tabo / Menaul Area  Yeah, I'll be doing painting, dry wall, and some other stuff.  The bathroom, which I'm capable of, I think I'll farm out.  Without the kitchen it'll be totally doable, with the kitchen I'll be over 10k I think, but I can't decide if I will change the kitchen or not.

  • painting contractor · Fair Oaks, CA · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    11y

    Congrats Matt!

    As far as what strategy, what do you wish to learn next? Do you really want to be a landlord, or sharpen your negotiation and rehab skills?

     I've seen properties in my market get listed for two months, then get rented. It looks like you are in a good position to do either. In any event, you should do well as long as you don't overdo the rehab.

    Best of luck!

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    11y

    My 5 year goal is to own 10 doors that cash flow at least $200/mo after financing, taxes, water/sewer, insurance and an as yet unknown capex hold.  But part of that is going to be increasing my bank roll.

    So, without further ado:

    http://imgur.com/a/Zcp5R

    The pics

  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    Nice house!  It is nice that it has a pitched roof and a garage and it is in a good area.  

    Option A: If you want to flip it you will definitely need to redo the kitchen and the baths.  You will easily spend double to triple the $10K to get it flip ready depending on how much of the work you do yourself.

    Option B: If you want to keep it as a rental, I would say you could get by for under $10K if you are doing the work yourself for a rental.  I would keep the kitchen and existing bath, paint it, put in new flooring where needed and rent it out.  Your rent estimates seem reasonable.

    So the real question is, does this meet your goals and metrics as a long term rental?  It looks like it would really depend on the long term financing you are able to put in place.  It is a simple equation:

    Rent - Expenses (capex, vacancies, maintenance, utilities and management, etc) - Mortgage  => $200

    If it falls within your guidelines I would consider keeping it and refinancing out your capital.

    Let me know what I can do to help, I have some great subs that I work with that can help with flooring.

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Which side of menaul and which side of Juan taboo will greatly effect the ARV. I lived on menaul and tramway for years and still own a rental on Indian school and Juan tabo.

    I think you can probably get higher rents if you rehab the property correctly and allow pets. Probably $1300-1350.

    In abq the rents are good but appreciation is normally low. Based on your numbers you will get a 10% cash on cash return, plus appreciation, and equity if you rented and refied. If you can deal with having $36k tied up for 5 yrs I would suggest renting it.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Adam Bartomeo:

    Adam, it's actually a few houses south of Indian school, and a few blocks east of Juan Tabo, so we're neighbors. I'm sorta leaning the rental route right now...  Either would be good, so it's tough.

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee yes sir. I've had my rental there for 8 yrs now. Bought, at the very peak. It has cash flowed though. My father and brother in law have about 6 rentals eat of tramway. 

    ARV of $165,000 might be high.

    Rents of $1200-$1250 should be achievable.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    Contractor said 10-15k, so we're going to go over the numbers to get it closer to 10.  I'm going to do some work on it like paint.  I'm handy, just tight on time.

    Admittedly I'm being a bit thrifty on some parts.  Going to paint the kitchen cabinets and put on new hardware rather than replacing or refacing.  I'll do the paint myself, and I'm doing more carpet than I would if I were living there.

  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee that is great.  Sounds like you are making great progress.  When you say you are "doing more carpet than I would if I were living there", what do you mean?  Did you decide to flip this one or hold it?

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    In going over numbers, I think my order of intentions are;

    1. Sell on contract (I will get the bulk of my money out via refi)

    2. Sell outright at the right price.

    3. Rent.

  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee just checking in, how is it going?

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y
  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee the moving slow is the understatement of the century.  Not sure what it is in ABQ, but there does not seem to be any real sense of urgency.  If you need any help while you are out of town, let me know.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    Solid, thanks @David Torres

     It's my son's first birthday, and I really hope to not hear anything about the house over the week lol.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    So it's coming along.  New front door in, new sliding glass back door in, demo going.

    So here's my newest question, and I think it's a yes, given that we are upon black friday, and I saw a deal for stainless steel appliances (dishwasher, microwave, range, fridge) for about 1500... would you put appliances in a flip (going to sell on contract most likely)

  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee I generally put in a ss range, dishwasher, and microwave hood combo.  (Check out 6345 Mendius Abq NM for one of my recent flips as an example)

    In rentals, I put in a clean (not necesaarily new)white or black range, dishwasher and a fridge.   Our rental market generally includes a fridge but does not include a washer and dryer.

    However, if you put new ss stuff in your rental, it may rent more quickly and you may get a small premium.

  • Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 82 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee great job! 

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y
  • Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 36 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee

    Great post and congrats on your first rental.  I think providing the appliances is a great way to give your property more appeal to your prospective tenant.  In my humble opinion since your goal is to own 10 long term properties and since this home is in a great area...I would keep it as your first rental.     Also,  it looks like it meets your goal of cash flowing at least $200 after expenses.  @Adam B. was able to further verify that this area is a good rental market. I would then refinance it and pay back the cost of your rehab costs and use whatever is left to buy your 2nd long term rental.  I think you did a great job! ! 

    @David Torres, what do you think about this idea:

    If @Matt Gee from the very beginning financed 2 good rental properties, instead of one,  since @Matt Gee had $118k cash.  If he used that cash to put two 20% down payments on two homes that are $120k (so $48k goes to two down payments). The remaining balance $70k ($118k-$48k = 70k) could go towards the rehab of the properties.  Then refinance the properties after 6 months and recoup the rehab costs and starts over?? Is this even a viable option?  I have never had that much cash to try it.  I can see that this would cause there to be more to keep track of. ..but if a person just paid a GC to perform all the work. ..some of the stress would be eliminated.  I am unsure if a person can even get two loans on two homes simultaneously because I have never tried to.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    @Jeremy GarciaSo what I'm thinking now is that I can make ~20k (before taxes, but that's another story) if I flip it, and use that to help with a down on a property that makes more sense for renting. 

    The home is worth around 170k now, and I could only rent it for around 1200/mo.  If I rent it for the next 10 months before I can finance out 75% of value, I'll make 10,800 after property management fees, then get out 127500, so I'll have about 138k back, then deduct insurance and taxes, and I'll be in the hole about 1k after a year.  With a 4.5% 30 year note, that's 680/mo, plus 80 in insurance, and 170 in taxes, that's about 950.  With 1200/mo in rent, minus property management, that's only about 150 bucks per month income.  So to actually walk away with the same ~20k, would take a decade... plus figure the clean up between renters, upkeep, etc.  It just doesn't make as much sense.

    But if I could take that 20k, and put it towards a down on something better geared toward renting, and still have my cash for either a flip, or something that looks a bit more appetizing, I think that would be better.  Especially listening to the podcast and hearing about places under 80k renting for 800/mo... so much better a ratio.

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    Ah. totally forgot to post, the house is almost done! Going to have appliances delivered next week, house is painted inside and out, new front and back door, new flooring in one room, new carpet in the rest, new bathroom, painted cabinets.  I will post pics soon.

  • Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 36 posts · 10 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Matt Gee:

    @Jeremy GarciaSo what I'm thinking now is that I can make ~20k (before taxes, but that's another story) if I flip it, and use that to help with a down on a property that makes more sense for renting. 

    The home is worth around 170k now, and I could only rent it for around 1200/mo.  If I rent it for the next 10 months before I can finance out 75% of value, I'll make 10,800 after property management fees, then get out 127500, so I'll have about 138k back, then deduct insurance and taxes, and I'll be in the hole about 1k after a year.  With a 4.5% 30 year note, that's 680/mo, plus 80 in insurance, and 170 in taxes, that's about 950.  With 1200/mo in rent, minus property management, that's only about 150 bucks per month income.  So to actually walk away with the same ~20k, would take a decade... plus figure the clean up between renters, upkeep, etc.  It just doesn't make as much sense.

    But if I could take that 20k, and put it towards a down on something better geared toward renting, and still have my cash for either a flip, or something that looks a bit more appetizing, I think that would be better.  Especially listening to the podcast and hearing about places under 80k renting for 800/mo... so much better a ratio.

     @Matt Gee, I understand your thought process and I agree that you probably can get a better cash flowing property.  Now that I see the numbers I understand how you would be getting minimal cash flow from this property.  Good analysis! !  I recommend finding those sub $100k homes with more cash flow potential.   They are hard to find here in the NE Heights but every once in a while a good one pops up.  I'll keep you in mind if I find one :) The most recent one that came my way is selling for $115k and is at 10913 Los Arboles Avenue NE. 

    Albuquerque, NM 87112
  • Full Time Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2013 · 320 posts · 154 votes
    10y

    @Matt Gee sounds like a great plan.  Don't give up on Albuquerque or Rio Rancho for rentals.  There are still plenty of deals that meet or exceed the 1% rule in our market.  Looking forward to those after pictures and good luck with the sale!

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