First Rental Refinance - BRRR

First Rental Refinance - BRRR

Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes

Just wanted to share the results of our first rental refinance / delayed financing. My husband and I are in our first year of our real estate investing career. Hope to encourage some of the newer people here. There are deals out there and some great returns to be had, just persevere!

The deal:

3/2 1200sqft SFR in a B neighborhood in Fort Walton Beach, FL. Bought this short sale for cash in February. This was listed at $104,000 on the MLS

Purchase price including closing costs - $73,257 

Property came with a tenant who signed a new 1 year lease for $975. No repairs were needed. Market rent is $1100-1200 but the old tenants were great so we decided to keep them at the previous rental rate.

Property Appraised at $134,000

Just closed on the delayed financing and got $70,600 cash back out, after closing costs. Total time from purchase to getting the cash back was 10 weeks. 

Income: $975

PITI: $522

Repairs and Capex reserves 10%: $97.50

Property management 10%: $97.50 

Vacancy 8%: $78 

Net monthly cashflow: $180

Cash on cash return: 81% 

Equity: $61,000

For $2,657 invested we are projected to average $180/month positive cashflow (though currently, we are getting $355/month since we are self-managing, and have no vacancy yet which would be 160% cash on cash return if we can keep it up - fingers crossed). 

Now, we can use that $70,600 in cash for the next deal we have lined up!

Thank you @Jerry Padilla and MB Financial for a quick and smooth transaction.

Thanks to @William Allen for posting about one of his BRRR deals which got us looking in the right direction

And of course @Brandon Turner and @Joshua D. for bringing us BP which helped us get started in real estate!

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Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
10y

Arianne,

Congratulations! You took action and not fell into analysis paralysis.

@Jerry Padilla is awesome. I referred a ton of people to him :-)

@Brandon Turner's BRRRR is an awesome strategy. We use it in our rent to own properties to buy virtually an unlimited number of properties because you can always pull the investment out and buy another one.

Depending on the location, Rent to Own can actually be a better strategy specially for newbie landlords. There's no maintenance and repairs and you get better tenants who have skin in the game.

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  • Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 481 posts · 189 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Arianne L.:

    @Huy N. Thanks! @Jerry Padilla can probably explain this better. But in order to meet the delayed financing exemption, you have to finance before 6 months after the initial purchase. In my case, I initiated the financing process 2 weeks after my initial purchase. But I could only finance up to my initial investment, even though it was appraised for $134,000. This is because I wanted to use the cash again as soon as possible for other real estate ventures. 

    Hey Thx for the prompt reply. just a question: how do you get 70k out? is it FHA loan? if it is within 6 months my loan broker can only let me take out 75% of what i put in and leave 25% there.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 481 posts · 189 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @JD Martin:

    Yes, it must have been done on some kind of delayed 95% financing or similar, as best as I can tell. My banks have always told me 0-6 based on purchase price, 6+ based on appraised value, 75% either way on investment property. Nevertheless, it's a great story! Congratulations!

     I had the same answer here. I will give my loan officer a call now and ask what the hell now. haha

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    @Huy N. It is a pure investment property, so the loan is a conventional loan. This property was first bought for cash which is why I am able to talk all the initial investment out with conventional financing via the delayed financing exemption. Please refer to https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/selling/b2/1.2/03.html

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Arianne,

    Congratulations! You took action and not fell into analysis paralysis.

    @Jerry Padilla is awesome. I referred a ton of people to him :-)

    @Brandon Turner's BRRRR is an awesome strategy. We use it in our rent to own properties to buy virtually an unlimited number of properties because you can always pull the investment out and buy another one.

    Depending on the location, Rent to Own can actually be a better strategy specially for newbie landlords. There's no maintenance and repairs and you get better tenants who have skin in the game.

  • Specialist · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 5 votes
    10y
    This is a pretty good deal. You're making me want to look into BRRR strategies.
  • Homeowner · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2015 · 23 posts · 6 votes
    10y
    Congratulations! This is inspiring and I'm so glad you posted. I haven't purchased my first investment property yet, just my main residence 2 years ago. I'm learning and your post is so helpful, especially the numbers.
  • Homeowner · Elmwood Park, IL · Member since 2013 · 53 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    Congratulations and wishing you much success on your journey.

  • Jerry PadillaBusiness Member
    Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Huy N.

    Some lenders have further overlays, but Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will allow you to pull out your initial investment plus closing costs. As she said, you must have initially paid cash for the property, if getting cash out prior to 6 months. I have a ton of clients doing delayed financing and cash out financing. The BRRR strategy is an excellent strategy. We did it outselves and used the cash to purchase our primary.

    @Wendell De Guzman Thank you for the mention! It has been a pleasure assisting you and your clients as well. I greatly appreciate the business! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Abilene, TX · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 8 votes
    10y

    Congrats on the deal!

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 128 posts · 87 votes
    10y

    Congrats on your success! How did you negotiate a purchase price that was 30% below the MLS value? Was it on the market for a long time? Did it need a lot of work?

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    @Wendell De Guzman Thanks! The property was on the market for 6 months. I actually offered $60,000 initially which the seller accepted. When it got to the bank, they said they wanted at least $95,000. We countered at $72,000. The listing agent, who was from the property management company, did all the negotiations and we ended up buying it at $72,000 (excluding closing costs) but the bank did not give me the buyer's side commission. Banks apparently do not like to give buyers who are also agents commission. Next time, I'll have to remember to put my husband or our LLC as the buyer. Things you learn. It did not need any work and the tenants were happily living in it (they even put up a fence!).

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 128 posts · 87 votes
    10y

    great negotiating

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    We average $10,000 non refundable option consideration with our rent to owns.

  • John PowellPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Kennesaw, GA · Member since 2015 · 307 posts · 153 votes
    10y

    @Wendell De Guzman what is your average sales price for rent to owns that you are getting 10K down on? Combining the BRRR method and Lease options seem like you could make cash on the front (deposit) end, get your initial investment back (delayed financing) and passive income rental. I can see clearly how this could be a full time income source in a very short period of time. It would take some up front capital but really not more than $100K. The quicker you could turn a house the quicker you would get the deposit money (What I would live off of).

  • Investor · Pontiac, MI · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    My mortgage broker is telling me I need to get a commercial loan to refi my rental if I want to move it into an LLC. Is this correct? It is a single family home.

  • Investor · Douglasville, GA · Member since 2014 · 313 posts · 181 votes
    10y

    @Toure Lee,

    You should start your own thread to ask your question.  you might get better response.  burying your question in an existing thread will not give it the attention it needs.

    i don't have any LLCs, but have read a lot about it on BP.  You might want to search for your question in the forums as well.

    I have read several people saying you can move commercial loans into LLCs.  There is talk about the due on sale clause getting triggered, but apparently it rarely happens.

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 48 posts · 44 votes
    10y

    Awesome job!

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    @Account Closed is correct you will get better answers if you start your own thread. There are a lot of topics here on BP if you just search what you are looking for. From what I have read, if you transfer your rental from your personal name to an LLC, and you originally had a loan in your personal name, the bank can call your loan due (due on sale clause). Since LLCs cannot get conventional loans, then if you did refinance once the property is in the LLC, it would be a commercial loan.

  • Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, MI · Member since 2015 · 120 posts · 37 votes
    10y

    @James Rey, Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance and repeat. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 52 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.  A huge congrats on this deal! Thank you for sharing all the details. You've certainly opened my eyes to a new rental strategy. 

    Can you or @Jerry Padilla confirm whether the delayed financing can be done if the house is initially purchased with hard money?

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    @Chris Payne Thank you! @Jerry Padilla will probably be better at explaining why but from my understanding, yes, delayed financing can be done if the house was initially purchased with hard money provided that the delayed financing exemption criteria are met

  • Rental Property Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 52 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    Interesting, because when I read the Requirements for a Delayed Financing Exception it states: 

    "The original purchase transaction is documented by a settlement statement, which confirms that no mortgage financing was used to obtain the subject property."

    https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/selling/b2...

    This would mean no loans of any kind (including hard money) can be used to buy the property, right?

  • Rental Property Investor · NY · Member since 2013 · 844 posts · 350 votes
    10y
    Arianne L. Nice job! Do you have a new one in the works? What are the yearly taxes for this property?
  • Investor · North Port, FL · Member since 2016 · 137 posts · 58 votes
    10y
    Very nice! I love seeing BRRRR in action! Congrats on the success and good luck on the next!
  • Rental Property Investor · Beaumont, TX · Member since 2015 · 161 posts · 77 votes
    10y
    Nicely done. Thanks for sharing.
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