A $12K wholesale deal 6 months in the making.

A $12K wholesale deal 6 months in the making.

Paul AmegatcherPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes

This deal started in July 2016 and required a lot of moving parts. Here is the back story on the property in question. The previous owner purchased the property for $132K in 2005. He had some financial problems during the housing crisis and walked away from the property. He then filed for bankruptcy whiles in foreclosure, and that stopped the foreclosure for a while. The 1st mortgage lien holder decide to release their lien instead of waiting on the bankruptcy. The 2nd mortgage lien remained on the property. The property sat vacant for a while and accrued back taxes. The back taxes were then sold as tax liens. The tax lien holder decided to foreclose on the property after buying the delinquent taxes for 3 years and not receiving any payments. The tax lien foreclosure had a winning judgement against the previous owner but had not yet filed the documents for the sheriff sale request. This is where I came into the story.

I was collecting rent from one of my rentals when I noticed the vacant property across the street. I decide to do some digging and found the backstory listed above. Knowing that the sheriff sale date had not yet been set, I decided to pursue the property. I skipped traced the owner and sent a yellow letter stating that I wanted to buy his house. After not hearing from him, I called the numbers listed on the skip trace report. I hit the jackpot when he answered one of the numbers. We spoke about the property and agreed to a sales price of $3K net to seller. I would assume all the delinquent back taxes of $33K and the delinquent 2nd mortgage of $27K. I got a title search on the property and owner and there were no other liens or judgements other than the above mentioned items.

Once I got the title transferred to my company name I contacted my lawyer so we could pursue a quiet title action against the 2nd mortgage holder to release the lien. We won the quiet title action and had the 2nd mortgage released via court order. This process took 8 weeks. Once the 2nd mortgage was released I started marketing the property to my buyers for $54K sales price with the potential for a $36K gross profit after repairs. Here are the numbers for my buyers:

ARV = $120-$130K,

Repairs = $30K

Purchase price = $54K

Gross profits = $36K+

One of my buyers put the property under contract for $50K and we finally closed today 01/24/2017 from a deal that started in July. My total investment into this property was around $4500 plus closing costs. The delinquent back taxes were paid at closing as part of the closing costs so I did not have to come up with the money before closing. I walked away from the closing table with a net profit shy of $12K. Not bad for a couple of hours worth of work.

This deal would not have happened if I did not have the knowledge of quiet title actions and an understanding of how the foreclosure process works in Ohio. A little more to the story, I just started wholesaling in June 2016 and prior to that I did not pay much attention to vacant properties. I purchase all my previous properties off the MLS. I had an underlying assumption that all vacant properties were owned by the bank (Very stupid assumption). Once I started wholesaling and driving for dollars I started looking at vacant properties in a different light. I hope my story inspires others to go after their real estate goals and always continue learning. The more tools you have in your tool chest the better a transaction engineer you would become. Thanks for reading my story.

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Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 3 votes
9y
Paul Amegatcher congrats! Thanks for the learning lesson too. Did you buy the house before quiet title was won? So there's a chance if the bank showed up to court and you lost, this house would not have been a deal? Also, after you paid the back taxes at closing, the lien holder no longer had a claim against the house? Thanks!
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  • Haverhill, MA · Member since 2016 · 27 posts · 2 votes
    9y
    Job well done, thanks for sharing your success. Hope you're able to find another deal like this. What exactly is a quiet title?
  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Zico George:

    Job well done, thanks for sharing your success. Hope you're able to find another deal like this.

    What exactly is a quiet title?

     A quiet title action is when you Sue any lien holder or entity that has interest in the property to come forward to assert their claim or forever lose their rights or claim to that property. We won a default judgement against the bank as they did not come forward.

  • Real Estate Investor · Yonkers, NY · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Great job Paul, this is one of those diamond in the rough that not every investor would be able to put together ! Thank you for sharing, I'm currently a wholesaler in NY and I understand the work that needs to be done to make deals like this come to life! Keep on going, looking forward to reading more of your success stories. 

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan S.:

    Great job Paul, this is one of those diamond in the rough that not every investor would be able to put together ! Thank you for sharing, I'm currently a wholesaler in NY and I understand the work that needs to be done to make deals like this come to life! Keep on going, looking forward to reading more of your success stories. 

     Thank you. 

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 96 posts · 27 votes
    9y
    Awesome story Paul Amegatcher was this in Ohio?
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    good one  like to see real estate professionals who take title and resell.. makes it all legit in my mind.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @James Hunt:

    Awesome story Paul Amegatcher was this in Ohio?

     Yes this is in Dayton, Ohio.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    good one  like to see real estate professionals who take title and resell.. makes it all legit in my mind.

     Thanks.

  • Darrin CareyPro Member
    Lender · Dayton, OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 705 votes
    9y

    Well done @Paul Amegatcher.

  • Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Paul Amegatcher congrats! Thanks for the learning lesson too. Did you buy the house before quiet title was won? So there's a chance if the bank showed up to court and you lost, this house would not have been a deal? Also, after you paid the back taxes at closing, the lien holder no longer had a claim against the house? Thanks!
  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Darrin Carey:

    Well done @Paul Amegatcher.

     Thanks Darrin.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Dennis D.:

    Paul Amegatcher congrats! Thanks for the learning lesson too. Did you buy the house before quiet title was won? So there's a chance if the bank showed up to court and you lost, this house would not have been a deal? Also, after you paid the back taxes at closing, the lien holder no longer had a claim against the house?

    Thanks!

     Dennis,

    I had to purchase the property subject to the pending foreclosure, the delinquent taxes and delinquent 2nd mortgage. In order to file the quiet title action I/my company had to be on title.  We had indicators that the 2nd mortgage lien holder would not respond to the quiet title action because they did not respond to the tax foreclosure complaint as well.  Once we won the quiet title action the judge signed an order for the 2nd mortgage lien to be released. At closing the only liens that needed to be paid off were the tax liens and delinquent taxes. 

  • Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Paul Amegatcher interesting. Thank you!!
  • Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2017 · 64 posts · 23 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Paul Amegatcher:
    Originally posted by @Dennis D.:

    Paul Amegatcher congrats! Thanks for the learning lesson too. Did you buy the house before quiet title was won? So there's a chance if the bank showed up to court and you lost, this house would not have been a deal? Also, after you paid the back taxes at closing, the lien holder no longer had a claim against the house?

    Thanks!

     Dennis,

    I had to purchase the property subject to the pending foreclosure, the delinquent taxes and delinquent 2nd mortgage. In order to file the quiet title action I/my company had to be on title.  We had indicators that the 2nd mortgage lien holder would not respond to the quiet title action because they did not respond to the tax foreclosure complaint as well.  Once we won the quiet title action the judge signed an order for the 2nd mortgage lien to be released. At closing the only liens that needed to be paid off were the tax liens and delinquent taxes. 

     So what would happen if they did show up? What would your argument be and what would happen if you lost? 

    Thank you for the story by the way, it's very helpful learning multiple ways to navigate a deal.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jay Kadlec:
    Originally posted by @Paul Amegatcher:
    Originally posted by @Dennis D.:

    Paul Amegatcher congrats! Thanks for the learning lesson too. Did you buy the house before quiet title was won? So there's a chance if the bank showed up to court and you lost, this house would not have been a deal? Also, after you paid the back taxes at closing, the lien holder no longer had a claim against the house?

    Thanks!

     Dennis,

    I had to purchase the property subject to the pending foreclosure, the delinquent taxes and delinquent 2nd mortgage. In order to file the quiet title action I/my company had to be on title.  We had indicators that the 2nd mortgage lien holder would not respond to the quiet title action because they did not respond to the tax foreclosure complaint as well.  Once we won the quiet title action the judge signed an order for the 2nd mortgage lien to be released. At closing the only liens that needed to be paid off were the tax liens and delinquent taxes. 

     So what would happen if they did show up? What would your argument be and what would happen if you lost? 

    Thank you for the story by the way, it's very helpful learning multiple ways to navigate a deal.

     I would either have to negotiate a settlement or pay them the amount owed or walked away with a loss of my initial investment.  Remember they were also liable for the delinquent taxes as well as the tax liens.

  • Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2017 · 64 posts · 23 votes
    9y

    Interesting, I didn't consider they would be liable for delinquent taxes/liens as well. Makes sense they wouldn't even show up because the bank wouldn't have interest in owning a house let alone one with all that back debt/liens. Is that your guess as well? 
    That plus that they didn't show up to the foreclosure complaint made you pull the trigger I imagine?
    Could you further explain what a tax foreclosure complaint is?
    Thanks for letting me pick your brain!

  • Wholesaler · Lehi, UT · Member since 2015 · 333 posts · 144 votes
    9y

    @Paul Amegatcher Very good.  Who did you use for your quiet title in Ohio?  I work with several Ohio properties and I could use a good quiet title lawyer.  Thanks!

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Josh Carr:

    @Paul Amegatcher Very good.  Who did you use for your quiet title in Ohio?  I work with several Ohio properties and I could use a good quiet title lawyer.  Thanks!

     I use attorney Joseph Lucas.  He is based out of Vandalia, Ohio.  You can google his name or pm me for info.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jay Kadlec:

    Interesting, I didn't consider they would be liable for delinquent taxes/liens as well. Makes sense they wouldn't even show up because the bank wouldn't have interest in owning a house let alone one with all that back debt/liens. Is that your guess as well? 
    That plus that they didn't show up to the foreclosure complaint made you pull the trigger I imagine?
    Could you further explain what a tax foreclosure complaint is?
    Thanks for letting me pick your brain!

     Jay,

    Your assumption is correct.  As I stated there were indicators that suggested that the bank would not respond to the quiet title action.  One was their lack of response to the tax foreclosure complaint, which a foreclosure by the county or tax lien holder for the back taxes owed on the property.  And secondly they let the property taxes accrue for years, which indicated that they did not want the property.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    @Paul Amegatcher Great post, and good job! I've been studying tax liens and will soon add similar strategies to my "tool box." 

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Michael J Shabazz:

    @Paul Amegatcher Great post, and good job! I've been studying tax liens and will soon add similar strategies to my "tool box." 

     Thank you.  It is always good to have extra tools in your tool box.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Springdale, AR · Member since 2016 · 79 posts · 41 votes
    9y

    Good job!

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan Boyd:

    Good job!

     Thanks.

  • Professional · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 232 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    @Paul Amegatcher 1st Congrats, I do appreciate your clear and methodical chronology. 

    Good Job!

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Fred Sams:

    @Paul Amegatcher 1st Congrats, I do appreciate your clear and methodical chronology. 

    Good Job!

     Thanks.

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