Improve and add a second unit or cashout and purchase.

Improve and add a second unit or cashout and purchase.

Land Use / Technology Coordinator · Bend, OR · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 1 vote

Interesting situation that I am analyzing and could use some ad(vice), questions, discussions to help me flush out the nuances of the two options. 

My wife and I purchased a house 4 bed/ 1 bath (built in 1937 @ 1500sqft) from my father for $220,000 which appraised at sale for $374,000 two years ago in very rough shape, it has probably increased another $25,000 in value since then as the market here has been off the hook and I believe overvalued. We have a current HELOC for repairs at $30,000, but need probably another $30,000 for bringing the original structure to "finished" standards. This is our primary residence.

If the value of the property is conservatively $380,000 and we have $55,000+$220,000 = $275,000 - giving us about $105,000 in equity to keep the 80/20 we can pull appx $30,000 for buying another property. Given a traditional 80/20 loan (no house hacking as we cant move yet, I could place my mom in it perhaps) we could get a $150,000 house in the area may be tough but with diligence we could do it. (Our position here may be a little understated but I would rather be conservative) 

We currently pay about $1,500 for our mortgage payment including the $30k in HELOC and the FHA PMI. Removing both of those due to a refinance would bring us down to about $1,400 a month for the $275,000 value at 4.5%. That would be for us to stay in the house and finish it out.

The other option is to build an addition with an ADU (accessory dwelling unit) finishing the house and adding another 650 sqft to the main house ( 3 bed 2 bath ) and a 550 sqft attached ADU (1 bed 1 bath). we could rent the ADU for appx $1000, to $1200 a month. I am a PM for a local contractor and get my construction work at cost as well as some personal sweat equity for a build out of $150,000 in costs.

Doing a quick comparison of values for the now 2100 sqft and 550 sqft dwellings that value is around $625,000 in the 1 mile radius of for sale and sold properties on Zillow. I will be getting a friend (local appraiser) to give me a confirmation number on my value assumption. 

A refinance of our $220k + 30k +150k gives us a loan of $400k for which I have already been prequalified for. Our payment would be $2,191 at 4.5% if we could get $1000 for the rent of the ADU it would drop our personal monthly payment amount by $200 all of which would be reserved for upkeep on the property and vacancy. As it is an attached ADU I imagine that the tenant will be less likely to destroy the property.

If the value of the property is $625,000 and we owe $400,000 we could leverage $75,000 for future purchases keeping the 80/20. 

I am worried about being over leveraged on the property but as long as we keep the ADU rented we should be ok, and ARB is possible as Bend is a very touristy destination.

We would like to move in a year or two when our last daughter gets out of school and rent both portions of the house or sell outright.

This is our first deal and to be honest I am pretty darn nervous and so is my wife about these numbers as they are very big for us. We lost our first house in the crash and want to make better financial decisions this time around, This is a big opportunity for us and playing things right could really change our lives and the lives of others. 

Any questions, comments, discussions that you have regarding this or similar deals would be great to hear about. 

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  • Clayton PlankPro Member
    Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2012 · 122 posts · 46 votes
    9y

    @Jeremiah Fender, is the demand there for the ADU unit? (I.E. are there similar SFH's with them in the area) If you are in a neighborhood that consists of only single family units you may have a hard time finding a buyer that now wants to be a landlord. What would the main house rent for if you were to rent that out?

  • Land Use / Technology Coordinator · Bend, OR · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    @Clayton Plank The neighborhood does indeed have a good healthy mix of houses that have ADU's not sure how many of them have attached ADU's, I have designed the structure to be used as and ADU but can be changed in the future back to a single use dwelling should a future owner ever wish to change it. I do not think that it will be an issue to sell it should we need to get it sold.

    We plan on holding it as long as possible as the location is one of the most desirable in town, and once the kids have left we could even take over the smaller portion and rent out the larger house which in the current market would rent for about $2100 to $2300 a month, meaning fully rented with the ADU and house we would get about $3300 to $3400 a month, the loan service, taxes, insurance etc. for the house remodel and ADU is estimated to be about $2200 a month. The rental situation in Bend is really competitive and probably will not change for a long time due to the land use laws in Oregon even with a new expansion of our development zone. I believe we can keep the rental filled even in a down economy which would be better for us on a monthly basis.

    I just do not understand enough about leverage and the house burden to evaluate the deal well enough, meaning even if we have equity in the house at $650k how does this get leveraged in the future as with our current paychecks I dont think we would qualify for a larger loan out of the house.

  • Real Estate Agent · Sisters, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    How much could you rent the home with out the ADU? Is it just the 21-2300? Or could you rent it for more without an ADU attached. If the house would rent for the same amount and then putting in an ADU for a 150k that rents for $1100 a month is a pretty good deal for Bend. That 1100/1500=.7333 which would be tough to find in Bend.

    My question would be is this a property you would like to hold for the long run as a rental?  If so this seems like a good idea.  If you are looking to sell it and move up I would ask a realtor to see how much the 150k expenditure will increase the value of the property.  As far as the leverage is concerned you maybe able to qualify for more then you think assuming you meet the qualifications to count rental income in your personal debt to expense ratio. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Sisters, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Whoops I meant to add that I don’t thank a banker is going to care how much equity you have.  They will be focused on your debt and income.  But if you can put an extra 3300 on the income side they will obviously like that very much, and that will help you big time when trying to get another loan.  Because then when buying another rental you can count the potential income from that as well.  Which you are probably unable to do now if you don’t have rental income.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bend, OR · Member since 2016 · 209 posts · 87 votes
    9y

    @Jeremiah Fender, after reading your situation and your experience, I think you should take one thing at a time. Finish the main house before you begin the ADU.

    I've seen a lot of properties where the owners were trying to build an additional building and ran out of money (or other issues) and tried to sell the house with a half finished ADU, and a half finished house. Do the house first, then pursue the ADU.

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