$0 money in = $4680 in passive cashflow...another HomeRun! w/PICS

$0 money in = $4680 in passive cashflow...another HomeRun! w/PICS

Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes

Hey guys, I wanted to share another great story on a property we closed earlier this year.

As I’ve shared in previous posts, I have been partnering with other people to acquire more rental properties in Canada.

I believe this is a win-win for both parties, as my partner has a full-time career and doesn’t have the time nor expertise in real estate to invest fully on their own and for me it allows me to continue to expand my real estate portfolio with less of my own funds.

The exciting part about this latest deal is we paid $0 to acquire it…yeah baby!!

Ok so how did we do this? Good question...

Here is the whole story:

Back in November I had seen a listing for a small 2-bedroom freehold townhome on the same street as our awesome flip project. The property didn’t show very well and apparently the current tenants were giving agents a hard time showing the place to their clients.

So, what did I do? I made an offer, sight unseen with only contingencies of a property inspection and a vacant place. I also made a low-ball offer expecting the seller to negotiate.

I guess the seller was pretty fed-up with the place as he accepted our offer without any changes….score!!

As we were doing our flip project on the same street, I was already very familiar with the area and projected rent for this place. We did our home inspection and surprising the place didn’t have any major issues.

The only thing remaining was the property to be vacated, sounds easy, but it wasn’t. The tenants gave the seller a tough time and it took about four months for them to leave and for us to close the deal.

So how did we get this place for $0? Oh yes thanks for reminding me…

Well my partner and I on this deal, also owned another rental property we had bought about 17 months before this. I knew we had bought that place for a great price and the market had continued to increase significantly so we refinanced that first property and were able to get enough funds to close on the latest deal and renovate the entire place and still have reserves left in the account.

SO here are the numbers:

Purchase Price: $106,000

Closing Costs: $2,500

Repairs: $18,000

Total: $126,500

The seller had listed the property for $130,000 and we knew comps for similar properties were around $150,000 so I really feel we hit a home run here!

As I mentioned we refinanced our first property and took out about $50,000 which we used for the down payment, renovations and capex.

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Let’s take a closer look at this property.

Potential Gross Income: $14,400 per year (at full occupancy)
Less Vacancy: $432 (with a 3% vacancy rate)
Effective Gross Income: $13,968

This is how much money we can expect to collect. What about the operating expenses?

Expenses:
Management: $1,152/year (8% of Gross Income)
Property Taxes: $1,100/year
Repair/Maintenance/CapEx: $1060/year (one percent of purchase price)
Utilities: Paid by tenant
Insurance: $1,152

Operating Expenses: $4,464 per year

Net Operating Income: $9,504 per year. Yeah baby!

Right off the bat, I can see that this is a sweet deal. We are netting close to $10k a year for a $106,000 house. That’s a 10 percent cap rate.

You can compare this to getting a consistent 10 percent dividend payout from a stable, blue-chip stock. (If you’re not familiar with the world of stock investing, that’s practically unheard-of.)

How much passive income are we collecting?

We were able to qualify for a standard loan with 20% down.

Net Income: $9,504

Loan payments: $4,824

Passive Cash Flow: $4,680

We’re getting $4,680 in passive income from this house! That’s one huge step closer to financial freedom.

How much money did we pay out-of-pocket for this investment?

Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Without spending a dime of our own money, we set up a deal in which we receive $4,680 in passive income per year. That’s the money we pocket after paying a property manager (in this case ourselves as we self-manage) plus setting aside a “rainy day” fund for long-term capital expenses, maintenance and repairs. This doesn't even include the built in equity I was able to secure for us, by buying it at such a great price!

Another HOME-RUN!!!

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Riverdale, MD · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 64 votes
8y

"Without spending a dime of our own money"  False. I see so many of these clickbait stories nowadays. They are purposefully misleading to make someone think they can literally go in broke and have a successful rental flip. You took $50K of equity out of another property and turned it into cash. Which is technically $50,000 of "your own money".

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  • Investor · Los Angeles · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    Awesome! Love reading posts like these.

  • Real Estate Agent · Windsor, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 65 votes
    8y

    Great story!! Thank you for sharing @Thomas Lorini 

    Just wondering where do you invest in Canada, I mean which City/Province ?

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Rudy Estrada:

    Awesome! Love reading posts like these.

     Thanks Rudy!

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Aditya Soma:

    Great story!! Thank you for sharing @Thomas Lorini 

    Just wondering where do you invest in Canada, I mean which City/Province ?

    Hi Aditya, in Ontario! Started off in GTA, heavy in Hamilton and now looking into Windsor. Looks like your live in Windsor...lots of opportunities around you my friend!

  • Investor · Pittsburg, CA · Member since 2012 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Just to be clean...you did put money into the deal. That was the refi of the other property. and that was your money, the equity you took out of one deal to put into another. Had you not have had the other deal you would not have been able to do the deal. This isn't like borrowed money from a lender or private money...you are using your own money to make it happen. Good deal but there is your money being used.

  • Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    8y
    • Nice work, but like others have said this is not "zero down" or "zero out of pocket". You had costs and used money you pulled out of a different property. If you wouldn't have had that money IN YOUR POCKET you probably wouldn't have been able to do the deal. Again, nice work, but please don't say it's zero down when it's not.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 732 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Thomas Lorini:
    Originally posted by @Joseph M.:

    @Thomas Lorini , congrats on the deal.  Just wondering, do you live in Canada full time now?  Or in California? You mentioned doing a flip project nearby. 

    Just wondering how that works for you , are you flying back and forth a lot (if still in California) ?

    Thanks Joseph! I live California full time. I fly back to Canada 1 or 2 times a year.  As I used to live there I built up a great team and network which I lean on to get s@&! done for me!

     Oh ok cool , that makes sense to invest there since you used to know the area and have a great team there. But still get to enjoy the SoCal weather :) 

  • Rental Property Investor · Apple Valley, MN · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 19 votes
    8y
    Possible dumb question here - why would cap rate be calculated prior to debt service expenses? I would think loan costs would be deducted before NOI calculation, dropping the cap rate as result.
  • Real Estate Agent · Windsor, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 65 votes
    8y

    Yes you're right @Thomas Lorini I do see that. me too actively looking for multi-fam units in Windsor  

    If you need any help in Windsor feel free to reach out to me.

  • John S LewisPro Member
    Jackson, NJ · Member since 2017 · 167 posts · 48 votes
    8y

    @Thomas Lorini

    great story and i love the deal. my only question is re: 

    Repair/Maintenance/CapEx: $1060/year (one percent of purchase price)  1%?  isn't that a bit low?  watching all of brandon turners videos he always puts in at least 5% for just cap ex.  so help me understand why so low.

    thanks.

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @John S Lewis:

    @Thomas Lorini

    great story and i love the deal. my only question is re: 

    Repair/Maintenance/CapEx: $1060/year (one percent of purchase price)  1%?  isn't that a bit low?  watching all of brandon turners videos he always puts in at least 5% for just cap ex.  so help me understand why so low.

    thanks.

    Hi John good question. The way I see it we just finished a complete renovation job addressing all areas of the house prior to putting in the tenant. We do this with all properties and my experience is in the first few years very little will come up. That’s why I think 1% works. Also remember we have the reserves for major  issues.  

    Cheers. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Justin Egge:

    Possible dumb question here - why would cap rate be calculated prior to debt service expenses?

    I would think loan costs would be deducted before NOI calculation, dropping the cap rate as result.

    Hi Justin no questions a dumb question my friend. Loan costs/debt services are never factored into Cap rate.  There’s tons of deeper conversations on this topic here on BP but basic premise is that Capitalization rate is not a metric of investment return on a specific investment. Cap rate is a market-driven metric, which measure the attitude and behavior of all market participants.

    Here is a BP link I think will help you better understand:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2016/05/31/cap-rate-formula-include-debt-service/

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Aditya Soma:

    Yes you're right @Thomas Lorini I do see that. me too actively looking for multi-fam units in Windsor  

    If you need any help in Windsor feel free to reach out to me.

    Thanks Aditya! Any particular property manager you use or tenant finding service that’s effective? I’m really looking closer at multis there...reminds me of Hamilton 7-8 years ago, I think there are some positive changes happening in Windsor.   

  • Investor · Princeton, TX · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Thomas Lorini  I think biggerpockets should have a rule.  If you are not going to tell the IRS you have  "Zero money into it" then don't post it either.

  • Real Estate Agent · Windsor, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 65 votes
    8y

    @Thomas Lorini I'm using Home2Home from last 4 months, so far no complaints. They have a good knowledge on market I feel

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Aditya Soma:

    @Thomas Lorini I'm using Home2Home from last 4 months, so far no complaints. They have a good knowledge on market I feel

    Thanks Aditya, be nice to grab a coffee next I’m in town. 

    Cheers. 

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
    8y

    This site should really be called Bigger Banks cause pretty much every story is about getting in hock.  I built my entire portfolio off investors borrowing and going bust. I agree with the above poster just click-bait. I actually have a better name its "House of Cards" cause for the most part thats all these deals are. Since the majority of these guys own nothing if one gets in trouble or a few properties do it can take the whole ponzi down.  People starting out please be very careful reading this stuff. 

  • Investor · Germantown, WI · Member since 2012 · 206 posts · 364 votes
    8y

    First I want to say congratulations. It sounds like you've got a large amount of equity and a deal that you're more than happy with.

    That being said, I don't know that I would say $50k over 30 years is insignificant. Assuming a 4.5% interest rate it would have increased the other mortgage payment by about $253. That takes your $4680 cashflow down to realized cashflow of $1644.

    Again congratulations on the deal. $137 in monthly cashflow with a significant amount of equity and zero out of pocket is commendable, particularly in this market.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2016 · 47 posts · 36 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Scott Royer:

    how much did the $50k add to your other mortgage payment and impact your cash flow?  Also what about the equity ratios on the first property?  

    50K at 5% for 30 years = $268.41.  Your "net" is shrinking...  But still, your property looks great and you got a nice little forced appreciation.

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jay C.:

    This site should really be called Bigger Banks cause pretty much every story is about getting in hock.  I built my entire portfolio off investors borrowing and going bust. I agree with the above poster just click-bait. I actually have a better name its "House of Cards" cause for the most part thats all these deals are. Since the majority of these guys own nothing if one gets in trouble or a few properties do it can take the whole ponzi down.  People starting out please be very careful reading this stuff. 

    Hi Jay, as I mentioned earlier, there are so many articles and posts daily on BP. Do a quick search and see how many posts have less than 5 comments and it’s not because of the content. So if one feels they have something interesting to share the title does play into it. 

    Yes we can argue back and forth if I really put in $0 funds into this deal. Obviously I shared all the details and didn’t try to hide the fact I refinanced my other property.  

    Before being so negative I hope you took the time to read some of the comments I’ve been sharing with others.  

    The Canadian market is vastly different than the US market. Foreclosures are next to nil....when things collapses over hear i the down turn the Canadian market only had a short blip down and then continued its upward trends.  

    If one knows their market well and is patient they should be able to pick out solid deals.  This hear is a home run in this market.  

    Next door sold for $210k less than 5 mths after we bought it. 

    I’m not trying to create fluff or make things light for newbies. Finding and negotiating good deals is tough.  

    What I feel I’ve shown is one doesn’t need deep pockets to financial freedom.  

    If the market corrects downward who cares!! More clients for me...more renters to the market.  

    I’m not a speculator.  

    Cheers.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Nicholas W.:

    First I want to say congratulations. It sounds like you've got a large amount of equity and a deal that you're more than happy with.

    That being said, I don't know that I would say $50k over 30 years is insignificant. Assuming a 4.5% interest rate it would have increased the other mortgage payment by about $253. That takes your $4680 cashflow down to realized cashflow of $1644.

    Again congratulations on the deal. $137 in monthly cashflow with a significant amount of equity and zero out of pocket is commendable, particularly in this market.

    Hi Nicholas, In Canada we get lower rates. 2.5% @ 30 Year’s equates to around $198/Mth. 

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
    8y

    TL,  Please dont spin my comments as negative. All that does is hurt honest people trying to learn and have all the facts which you left out some important ones and details to drive your story. As well financial freedom is not measured by how much $$$ you can borrow or how many deals one can take on.  Way to many casino stories on here. Many of these deals have massive risk which is glorified as building wealth. My point in the end is lets paint the whole picture not the headlines to help people.  More of helping and less of "hey look at me". I think thats very fair. If you want to feel thats negative  I am sorry. 

  • Realtor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    Love! Congrats!

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jay C.:

    TL,  Please dont spin my comments as negative. All that does is hurt honest people trying to learn and have all the facts which you left out some important ones and details to drive your story. As well financial freedom is not measured by how much $$$ you can borrow or how many deals one can take on.  Way to many casino stories on here. Many of these deals have massive risk which is glorified as building wealth. My point in the end is lets paint the whole picture not the headlines to help people.  More of helping and less of "hey look at me". I think thats very fair. If you want to feel thats negative  I am sorry. 

    Hi Jay, I appreciate your last comments, were on the same page. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Christian Montalvo:

    Love! Congrats!

     Thanks Christian!

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