My Fourplex in the Patch Neighborhood South Saint Louis

My Fourplex in the Patch Neighborhood South Saint Louis

Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes

People say around here... You can think about it or just do it... We'll I did it. I currently live outside of the US, own two rentals in Colorado and slowly working my way into real estate. With recommendations found here on BP I found Peter owner STL Mogul Realty. Brian with STL Mogul was an AWESOME agent and worked hard answering my questions and helping to find the property. Time zones and some turn-over at STL have made things interesting with STL Mogul management, I'll post a more detailed review for STL Mogul Realty at a later date.

Having NOT been to the area, I was/am really relying on the input of my agent, but obviously it fall on me. My agent said it was "Not great and not too bad." I hope not to be one of "those" out of state buyers, who overpay for properties, but I wanted to do something and this seems better than lottery tickets.  Time will tell.

Property is off South Broadway Sold For $142,500. Four 2 bed 1 bath units with two driveways and two garages. Garages can rent for $50-$75 each. Property is almost turnkey with some exterior differed maintenance and a couple water heaters.

I'll spare the details and keep the numbers simple.

Property without garage income.

Units leased for $625 each ($2500)

MGT 10% Vacancy 10% Repairs 10% Maintenance 5% =$875

Expenses = Water, Sewer, Electric (common area), Yard = $300

PITI= $780

Monthly Cash flow $545 = 14-15% CoC

+ garage income closer to 16-17% CoC

Hoping for a little appreciation to cover my closing costs and selling expenses down the road. 

Time will tell!

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Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 82 votes
7y

Well done! I live in St. Louis and have several SFR. I can't wait to move into Multifamily. I have partnered up with a contractor here and I'm excited about the developments happening all around this area. I think over the next 5 years we should see some appreciation. The affordability makes it a nice place to live. Coming from San Diego CA the houses are GREAT values.

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  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
    7y
    @Andrew Moore those numbers sound great, how did you fund the deal?
  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Addison Guyse Cash out refi of another property... 25% down on this one and used Chet Hileman at F & B Financial. Do you own property in the area?

  • Real Estate Broker · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 427 votes
    7y

    That is one nice looking building. Especially for that price!

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2014 · 37 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    Congrats Andrew- who are you using for property management?  

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    No @Andrew Moore I formerly owned a duplex a little north of there and have been looking at one in the Holly Hills neighborhood which is closer to Carondolet

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    That really is a nice looking building for that price......congrats!

  • Rental Property Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2014 · 313 posts · 326 votes
    7y

    Nice work Andrew! True 2-bedroom units in a 4-plex are a bit of a "white whale" in South City, so major kudos! If the area picks up over the years, you will be holding solid gold. The garages are a nice income boost as well; we have one at both of our 4-unit properties. The challenge there is finding someone with long-term storage needs. Hopefully you can rent them to tenants to save some hassle.

  • Accountant · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 409 posts · 362 votes
    7y
    @Andrew Moore I don't think you'll be "one of those out of state investors". Seems like you've got a pretty good property. You are in a risky area, so dont take chances with the tenant screening. I think the Patch neighborhood is poised to improve significantly over the next 5 to 10 years. But it is right on the tipping point now. Good luck!
  • Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 82 votes
    7y

    Well done! I live in St. Louis and have several SFR. I can't wait to move into Multifamily. I have partnered up with a contractor here and I'm excited about the developments happening all around this area. I think over the next 5 years we should see some appreciation. The affordability makes it a nice place to live. Coming from San Diego CA the houses are GREAT values.

  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y
  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Max Householder Thanks, Ya to be more clear, only one is a true two bedroom.. so no "White Whale" I guess.. Maybe I can convert the other units in the future if it makes sense. Numbers are still good for now, just need to wrap up a few loose ends. 

  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Donald S. Thanks, and I am happy to hear you think there will be some improvement in the area. Here are the main things my mgt co are looking at when screening tenants. "We check to make sure they have income 3 times the monthly rent, have OK credit, no past evictions, no felonies, and they must be able to get the utilities turned on in their name."

    Any other suggestions?

    @Janett Lewis Sounds like you have some fun projects in your future. If I could be more "hands on" in the area, I would also be going that route. Another area would be commercial multifamilies... maybe in a year or so. And yes.. Great houses for the money.

  • Accountant · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 409 posts · 362 votes
    7y

    Andrew, I know Peter and I know he runs a pretty good pm company from what I've heard. I'm sure his guys know what to look for. I'm just saying if you get an applicant that's borderline, don't bend your guidelines, or give the benefit of the doubt to people etc...

    I've also found 3x to be the minimum, and if it's low rent, you need to see what their real take home is vs debts. If they're making 2100/mo but pay 700 in rent, that's thin.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
    7y
    Hi @Andrew Moore how much was your downpayment?
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
    7y
    @Andrew Moore 25% down, saw that after I asked, sorry
  • Rental Property Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    Hey @Andrew Moore, did you work leasing fees into your model? An average tenancy of 18 months would cost about $138 a month.

  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ben Mizes:

    Hey @Andrew Moore, did you work leasing fees into your model? An average tenancy of 18 months would cost about $138 a month.

    Great question. I didnt break those fees down to a monthly expense, but I took them into consideration. I think the 25% (approximately $7500) set aside each year will cover the both the repairs, maintenance and the leasing fees.  I am planning for a few furnaces, water heaters, etc. I also have $300 monthly planned for monthly utilities (water, trash + lawn maintenance), so I think that is pretty conservative as well.. 

    What types of properties are you investing in? Any other thoughts suggestions?

    thanks

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis · Member since 2018 · 43 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    Hi Andrew 

    We have a 4 fam in Carondelet (South St. Louis) with 3 1br/1ba and 1 2br/2ba. 

    Here are our actual utility costs, monthly. 

    MSD sewer 146.66
    City water and trash 125.01
    We had underestimated the sewer bill by quite a bit. Our trash plan is for alley dumpsters, not curbside. Water is flat rate based on fixture count- no meters. 


    A long-time tenant does the grass for $40, weekly in spring, 2x month in summer. 

    Hope this helps. Your mileage may vary, but this should be close.

    Good luck!

  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Melinda Miller Thanks for the info. If you dont mind sharing, who are you using for management & what are your units renting for?

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis · Member since 2018 · 43 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Moore 

    We manage it. They are 475-550 M2M inherited. After some training most have stayed, and we've had 0 empties for more than a few days, just the time needed to clean. 

  • Specialist · Saint Louis · Member since 2016 · 93 posts · 28 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Moore

    Are you looking to buy more property in the St. Louis area?

  • Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2019 · 55 posts · 18 votes
    7y

    Hey Andrew! How is your property doing, in Patch? Just curious for an update. Thanks!

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2015 · 204 posts · 37 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Moore who are you using for property management and how is the service so far?

  • Investor · OK · Member since 2014 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Hans M. @David Beckley    Due to some challenges, I am waiting to see how the original pm wraps up the loose ends so we can end on a decent note. Their choice to correct or not correct a few things will affect my review and property update.

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