My First Deal = 6 Doors!

My First Deal = 6 Doors!

Rental Property Investor · Wake Forest, NC · Member since 2016 · 106 posts · 148 votes

My First Deal = 6 doors!

     This story begins as many other stories that heard told on the podcast: I started listening to the BiggerPockets Podcasts to and from work trying to figure out a way to exit the corporate world and wondering if there was anything out there that could help create a “passive” income to allow me to do just that. After 2 years of listening to podcasts, buying every single book that BP had to offer and listening to all 300 podcasts about 3 times each, sometimes more, I took @Brandon Turner’s advise and TOOK ACTION (finally).

It started with trying to network. My wife and I joined the local REIA and she joined their WIRE (Women In Real Estate) group, trying to get involved once a month by networking with people. Unfortunately, we found ourselves wanting more. We met with a friend that was also a part-time realtor. We signed the realtor non-compete with her and proceeded with the search. A couple of months went by and only 1 horrifying walkthrough later, I decided it was best for both our interests if I fire her [learned lesson #1: newbies shouldn't work with agents who have no investor experience]. At the time, it was a difficult decision, since she was a family friend, but I kept hearing @David Green in the back of my head saying, "Are you running a business or not?" She seemed to understood that we needed more agent experience, which helped when we parted "professional" ways.

Another few months passed hunting on my own, when I saw there was a BP meetup in our area put on by @Dawn Brenengen from episode 101! Talk about an awesome opportunity! I met Dawn and a few other people there at the beginning and after a few times going was wanting still more. We took to heart @David Green and Brandon’s advice to offer value to people, so we offered to take over the organization of the local BP meetups. We offered to create the BP postings on the website every month, create & circulate a sign-in sheet of contact information to everyone who attends the meetups in our area. This was a great way to get to know all the amazing people there as well as become a contributing factor to the meetup itself.

As luck would have it, or opportunity meets planning, it was at one of these BP meet-ups that my wife met our mentor. It was actually her first BP meetup and she refused to sit near me in hopes that between the 2 of us, we would meet more people. Near the end of the evening, after questioning him for nearly 2 hours, she ushered me over to hear him repeat the numbers on the deals he had been making in Rocky Mount. That night our mentor told my wife about his experience managing multiple doors across several different states. He encouraged us to attend a sub-group meeting of the local REIA being held in Rocky Mount, so we met up with him again the following week. Between the Rocky Mount sub-group, the Raleigh REIA, and the BP meet-ups, we network almost weekly! Needless to say, we like to talk to people.

Over the course of the next few months we developed the relationship with our mentor and he was gracious enough to introduce us to a Broker in Rocky Mount. The Broker, himself, is a very well established Investor with close to 400 residential doors and a Commercial property in downtown Rocky Mount. After only a few conversations and a couple of days, the Broker came back to us with 2 multi-property off-market packages, each from a different seller! One package was a 4 plex and 2 duplexes and the other package was 2 SFHs and a duplex. Was this luck, or opportunity meeting preparation? During analysis of the properties we were in the process of taking out a HELOC on our primary residence, with the plan to use it for investing.

     After running the numbers on all of the properties in the 2 packages, we decided to make an offer on 1 property from one of the packages and all but one property from the other package. I offered $90,000 for 2 SFHs and 1 duplex and $30,000 cash on 1 duplex from the other package. One seller countered the $90K with $100K and the other seller accepted our $30K cash offer. We could not believe it! I re-ran the numbers with the new offer and it still worked!! Blew our minds!

Now onto the nitty-gritty… how do we pay for this?!?! We did not have $130K cash in our HELOC, but this is the part that rings so true when @Brandon Turner and @David Green always say, "Rockstars Know Rockstars!" Our Broker put us in contact with a local lender who could help us structure a deal for the 4 properties with two separate sellers under 1 loan. Ahh, the power of a local bank! The lendor structured the deal into a Commercial loan as the total for the 4 properties is 6 doors. If, of course, we could come up with closing costs and 20% down ($3,800 in closing costs and $26K downpayment). Now where do we find the $26K? HELOC?? We certainly could have, but then I recalled what @Brandon Turner said in "How to Invest with No or Low Money Down," and my wife and I went to her parents for some private money lending. Luckily for us, my wife's father has recently taken an interest in real estate investing and loved the idea of being a PML. Plus, as it says in the book, "if the deal is good, the money will find you." We drew up the terms and he cut us a check. Could it really be that easy? Yes, yes it can!! And we did it with only the $3,800 for closing costs out of our own pocket, WOW!!

Details on the numbers follow:

SFH

Purchase price = $55K

Current rent = $615/mo

Appraisal = $74K

ARV = $95-$105K

Projected Increase in rent to meet Market Rates after repairs = $850

1st Duplex

Purchase price = $22.5K

Current rent per side = $245/mo ($490/mo total)

Appraisal = $33K

ARV = $45-$55K

Projected Increase in rent to meet Market Rates after repairs = $450/side ($900 total)

2nd Duplex

Purchase price = $22.5K

Current Rent per side = $285/mo ($570/mo total)

Appraisal = $31K

ARV = $45-$55K

Projected Increase in rent to meet Market Rates after repairs = $450/side ($900 total)

2nd SFH

Purchase price = $30K

Current rent = $450/month

Appraisal = $30K

ARV = $45-$55K

Projected Increase in rent to meet Market Rates after repairs = $450/side ($900 total)

Wait --- How can a SFH be $450 per side ARV?? Here is the kicker on this house. Upon inspection, this house has 2 front doors! I went inside and low and behold it had been originally built as a duplex and had already been wired with 2 electrical sub meters, but at the time it was built the city zoned it as a SFH. So, I called the city and they said they just have to assign another address to the lot to make a Duplex! I fix it up, turn it into a duplex, and raise rents … BAM, I just doubled the cash flow on a single property!

     Unfortunately, the owners and Property Managers absolutely neglected the properties AND the tenants. Since I could recognize value-add opportunity, these were a no brainer. Old Money sometimes equals neglect from the owners, which allows me to up the rents after the repairs and capture all the profit that was missed previously. My background is in construction: building condos, townhomes, apartment buildings, and custom homes. So the walkthroughs came a little easier for me. With the help of a local contractor, we determined the cost of repair and what the increased rent raises could be. It is always a good idea to bring a contractor (or multiple) with you even if you think you know what you are doing. I may have tons of construction experience, but did not know the local market as well as the local contractor did. Be humble, it will go far.

All together, I plan to cash out refinance 80% LTV (no seasoning period); allowing me to pay off my Private money lender, all of the repairs (totalling $35-$40K), and put around $15-$20K in my pocket. I plan to reinvest all of the profit in the next BRRRR!

     As another side hustle, I built a Treehouse for my 4 & 6-year old daughters in my backyard. After listening to the podcast with Zeona McIntyre (#229), my wife convinced me we could pay off he cost of the materials by Airbnbing it! And I thought, why CAN’T I make money on this?? Now we have a backyard camping experience for all to enjoy! 

     In summary, there are key takeaways that every new investor should know. I am not special, just an average guy with a drive and focus to change my life. 1) Surround yourself with people who are smarter than you and be humble enough to admit it. 2) Do not wait like I did to take action. You need to be pounding the pavement every day and always pushing the ball forward even if it is only a little bit every day. Progress is Progress. Do you want to change your life or not? There are hard days that you will have to push through in order to succeed, but remember you are not the first one to go down this path. Thousands have gone before you. Don’t expect handouts. 3) Let the relationships you build happen organically through your network. Always follow up and offer value where you can. 4) Don’t be afraid to take on as many properties as you can from the start if your end goal is to do this full time. Bring on the fire, I say. As gold is refined through the fire, so is your success. You win or you learn. We have made mistakes through the process but they were small due to the fact we had bumpers in place in the bowling alley of Investing. Those bumpers are the experienced people that you meet and can bounce ideas off of and glean information from. Set goals and reverse engineer them to find out where you need to start, then take action! Read, plan, execute. I still view myself as a newbie and honestly, I hope to always have the newbie mindset in regards to continuous learning and the hunger to succeed.

     Looking ahead, my wife wants to start a Property Management company in Rocky Mount that will actually care about the Investor and Tenant. As in many places, there is a large gap in that market, and we hope to fill it. I will be starting a small Handyman business that can serve the local investors as well. Create multiple streams of income right? With the goal of getting 12 units or more in this (my second) year, I will do everything in my power to make these dreams come true. Will you?

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Raleigh, NC · Member since 2017 · 80 posts · 46 votes
7y

@Josh Rathbun Congrats Josh!!!! I live in Raleigh and will see you guys at the meetup on Wednesday. I’m really looking forward to it!

Thanks again for organizing. :-) I am also interested in the Rocky Mount and Wilson area and would love to talk to and your wife more as time allows.

Thanks again for sharing your story.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Apex, NC · Member since 2018 · 66 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Awesome story and thanks for sharing your first deal with the BP community!! Great meeting you guys at the meet up last week and looking forward to many more!

  • Oakland, CA · Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun way to go!! Such a great story about making small progress until you got your goal! Love the idea about increasing networking by splitting up :)

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Turnersville, NJ · Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    Congrats to Josh Rathbun  and his Mrs.😂

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Inspiring! Congratulations! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2017 · 15 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    @Josh R. I love the thoughtfulness on this deal.  Commercial loans are must more flexible than residential and allow for some FUN CREATIVITY on our side as investors.  I love the structure you built.

    Two quick questions...

    What types of tenant class are you seeing in Rocky Mount? 

    That are have high vac rates? 

    In our area low rent areas tend to struggle in both these areas.  That is why we have been investing out of state the last 2 years.

  • Rental Property Investor · Yorba Linda, CA · Member since 2017 · 140 posts · 58 votes
    7y

    @Josh R. congratulations! Off to a great start!

  • Real Estate Agent · Oceanside, CA · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Congrats Josh and Marcie! Your story gives me hope...I need to start networking more. :-)

  • Investor · Arlington, TX · Member since 2017 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    Congrats! And thanks for sharing all of the details! 

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun

    Very inspiring!!! Thanks for sharing

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Good luck.  There are many types of work that you need to do a deal.  You got through the purchase.  Operating a building is another discipline.  Keep on learning.

  • Rental Property Investor · Knightdale, NC · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun congrats to you! Keep us posted as Rocky Mount is an interesting location pick.

    How does you wife like the WIRE meetings?? I have been wanting to start to go to the TREIA meetings but I work every M-W night and that's when most meetings are :/

  • Rental Property Investor · York Haven, PA · Member since 2018 · 49 posts · 39 votes
    7y

    @Josh R.  Congrats to you and Marcie, what an inspiring story!

    @Lynette Brumfield There is a New Orleans REIA that meets right outside the city in Metairie. NOREIA. https://www.neworleansreia.com/

    There is a new meeting that started for the Northshore.......Slidell, Mandeville, etc.  https://www.lanorthshorereia.com/about-us.html

  • Rental Property Investor · Milford, DE · Member since 2018 · 16 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    This is fantastic! Awesome forward action! Congratulations! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2018 · 31 posts · 12 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun congratulations! Great story thanks for sharing. Gets newbies like me excited to get rocking

  • Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2018 · 173 posts · 66 votes
    7y

    Congratulations @Josh R.!  Thank you for going in depth about what happened before you found a deal.  Networking is crucial and so is taking the time to educate yourself about what to do when a deal presents itself.  This motivates me to continue my education and networking on BP and local group meetings.  Keep up the great work, I have no doubt you guys will be doing incredible things in the future.

  • Murrieta, CA · Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Congrats @Josh R.! That's a pretty awesome start! Great story and hope it continues for you.

  • Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Michelle Shriverawesome thank you I will be sure to attend the next meeting! 

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    Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2017 · 12 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun Well done Josh! Even though it took you some time in the education process, once you two got going, knew what you wanted and were determined to work at it until you found it! 6 doors to start is awesome!

  • Detroit , MI · Member since 2017 · 26 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun

    Awesome!! Great advice I needed to what this morning

  • Investor · New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 336 posts · 148 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by :

    There is a new meeting that started for the Northshore.......Slidell, Mandeville, etc.  https://www.lanorthshorereia.com/about-us.html

    All are welcome to attend the Northshore REIA. I run it and it's a free event designed to help as much as possible. Lynette, let me know if I can help in anyway. Thank you for sharing Michelle!

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Daren D Wagner:

    @Josh R. I love the thoughtfulness on this deal.  Commercial loans are must more flexible than residential and allow for some FUN CREATIVITY on our side as investors.  I love the structure you built.

    Two quick questions...

    What types of tenant class are you seeing in Rocky Mount? 

    That are have high vac rates? 

    In our area low rent areas tend to struggle in both these areas.  That is why we have been investing out of state the last 2 years.

    I can sort of answer your question.  Talking with two of the largest property managers in rocky mount (who collectively manage around 3000 doors) the current vacancy rate for the entire area is 5-10 percent.  One of the property managers told me its the lowest now then they've ever seen it in the 30 plus years they've been managing.

    The tenant class in a lot of these areas is lower income.  The average household income for rocky mount is about 36k a year.  That being said most landlords I speak to out there, are not really doing section 8.  If your rent is 400-500 for an apartment, I would classify that as probably a type C area/apartment.  There are areas to avoid (just like everywhere) but there are lots of other areas where its changing for the better.  Major industries include healthcare, banking, factory/warehouse type jobs.

    Rents can be as high as 1600 plus in areas of Rocky mount, so you can have the entire spectrum. 

    Hope this helps.

  • Member since 2018 · 36 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    What a great article, if I may, I would've want to see how much you are cash-flowing on each prop. It seems you aren't initially, but will after the rehabs. If so, you could show the projected cash-flow and a few months from now you could write another article (maybe an update?) with the real results. either way, congrats. That (besides the waiting time) is a very inspirational story. Thank you. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Wake Forest, NC · Member since 2016 · 106 posts · 148 votes
    7y

    @Daren D Wagner So the class of properties is C class. Now what my plan is will be to remodel the properties to a B Class property in which turn we will be able to screen our tenants properly who will take care of the unit and treat it as there own. This will alleviate some of that preasure of vacancy due to things not working/being fixed and having accomplished the work of screening up front by putting a valued tenant in there with motivation to stay as my properties will raise the bar for the area and people will want to stay and do everything they can to do so. At least thats how I am attacking the problem. 

    @Devin Otway Cover way more ground when you and the Mrs. are both in this together and can divide and conquer :)

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2018 · 48 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    @Josh R. - Congratulations and thanks for posting.  I am living in the Atlanta, Georgia area and I am so impressed with the work that you have done that I will be implimenting some of your suggestions.  I am new to the real estate investing, without a contruction background but I know I can be successful as well.  I do enjoyed your post.  Thanks for posting.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 25 votes
    7y

    @Josh Rathbun Congratulations. Quite inspiring. The “tree” house looks anything but! Amazing.

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