My first multi-family generating over $7,500/mo passive income

My first multi-family generating over $7,500/mo passive income

Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $1,340,000
Cash invested: $300,000

This was our 1st value-add project in the neighborhood. It's a 27 unit with 4 retail and 23 apartments ranging from studio size through 3 beds. The rent roll at closing was just under $19K per month and we've been able to raise that to $27K per month within 6 months of aquisition.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was a high yield play. We wanted to generate passive income and have the ability to force appreciation.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This was found through a local agent in the area. I let him know the price range and type of cash-on-cash returns we were looking for.

How did you finance this deal?

Financed conventionally through US Bank. 80 LTV with a 5 year balloon. We plan to cash out refinance next year into agency debt for the long term.

How did you add value to the deal?

We were able to renovate the vacant units right away after purchase and a couple others during normal turnover. We spend approx. $6-$7k per door on new kitchens, baths, paint and refinishing the hardwood floors. We plan to add laundry next year.

What was the outcome?

The value of the building as a 10 CAP has already increased by about $450K. It was a 'mom and pop' ownership previously. We have been able to modernize some of the units and manage it more professionally. We're getting better and higher paying tenants. And it's lead to another opportunity in the neighborhood for a 50 unit portfolio. We're now under contract for those properties after the listing agent reached out to me.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

It's high risk and high reward when taking over a 'mom and pop' property. There were no bank statements or professional P&L reports to underwrite with. Some tenants challenged our property manager with slow/late payments. We're slowly turning those units over. Overall it's been a great deal.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Jack Cassin from Apartment Investment Advisors
Namit Bammi from the Bammi Law Group
Paragon Property Management.

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Specialist · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2019 · 587 posts · 269 votes
7y

Congratulations @Gary Guidi! Did you hire an outside property management company? I am currently in California but I have family in Chicago. Do you think investing there would be worth a shot for me?

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  • Rental Property Investor · Shakopee, MN · Member since 2015 · 985 posts · 374 votes
    7y

    Nice work!  It's great to see people out there still making deals happen.

  • Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Gary Guidi Great Job! Was this your first deal all together or have you had SFH and multi families prior to this? Curious if your capital was from other real estate or just your regular income! Congrats!

  • Vancouver Wa · Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi. Amazing job Gary!

  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island City, NY · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Ranjit Wasu there definitely is a channel to fix your credit score and start investing in RE.

  • Chino Hills, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Great job.

  • Specialist · Member since 2019 · 19 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi

    Congratulations!

    Love reading some of these success stories, Please keep us posted should you add another development to your portfolio. Would love to see the comparison between the first set of units and the next knowing what you know now to see how much of a return you can net on the second set of projects!

  • Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Gary Guidi thats how much a 3/2 property costs in my area...

  • Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Gary Guidi wow for a very first property good job

  • Specialist · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi Congratulations!!

  • Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi congrats!

    I have a few questions on the planned refi:

    What do you forecast the appraised value to be in 1 year when you refi?

    Did you discuss w US Bank that this is your strategy? If so, did they give you any input to refi the note w them?

    Or are you planning to do the refi w another lender?

    Are you planning to recoup all of your equity when you refi?

    Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes
    7y

    @Scott DeVore are you a commercial lender? Please share with me some more context for your questions about the financing.

  • Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi not a lender... I’m an investor, RE Broker, and GC.... the context of my question is from an investor standpoint (learning from the community) and curious to know if you had a prearranged setup w the original lender about a future refi and them wanting to keep the note in-house and would oblige... I’ve had banks agree to this strategy on SFRs and MFs under 4 units, wanted to know if this was possible w larger MF

  • 20002 · Member since 2019 · 24 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi Congratulations Gary. Numbers look great. Sounds like you found a winner. I know the post says first multi-family, but I think we are all eager to hear if you have a background in SFHs prior to such a big multi? 

  • Darren MesibovPro Member
    Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    Do you mind if I ask if you had to do anything creative to come up with the down payment (borrowing, equity partner etc..) or was it just cash?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi

    That’s pretty sweet. One day I want to be like you when I grow up. One day I will be there.

    It’s got to feel good to have a $7500 a month passive income coming in every month. Go ahead and do your pimp walk. We ain’t judging.

  • Member since 2019 · 38 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi

    Is this in the suburbs area where I live or is it straight in the city. I heard the city is doing average.

    So how much rent per unit??? What renovations caused a450k appreciation.

  • Magnolia , TX · Member since 2015 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi

    Well done! I’ll be watching for your report on the 50 unit!

  • Robert TinkerPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2019 · 251 posts · 159 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi Great job!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Derek Joyner:

    @Gary Guidi

    That’s pretty sweet. One day I want to be like you when I grow up. One day I will be there.

    It’s got to feel good to have a $7500 a month passive income coming in every month. Go ahead and do your pimp walk. We ain’t judging. 

    My pimp walk would look like a drunk Donald Duck :)

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Darren Mesibov:

    Do you mind if I ask if you had to do anything creative to come up with the down payment (borrowing, equity partner etc..) or was it just cash?

    Nothing creative about the down payment.  Just had to convince my #1 investor (my wife) that it was a solid plan for us to invest in.  And that was NOT easy but is working out. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Paul Nicklin:

    @Gary Guidi Congratulations Gary. Numbers look great. Sounds like you found a winner. I know the post says first multi-family, but I think we are all eager to hear if you have a background in SFHs prior to such a big multi? 

    I decided not to get into single family investing.  I was an accidental single family 'landlord' after the recession in 2008.  I was under water on a condo for years and years that I had to rent out until it finally sold for a price I was willing to stomach.  That wound is still a little fresh although I never intended for it to be an investment property.  Plus single family seems like a longer path to scale up.  And I also wanted to be able to build in the expense for a 3rd party property manager so I wasn't taking at turn at that job which I'm not qualified to do.  I think multi-family is the best space for me right now. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 140 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Scott DeVore:

    @Gary Guidi not a lender... I’m an investor, RE Broker, and GC.... the context of my question is from an investor standpoint (learning from the community) and curious to know if you had a prearranged setup w the original lender about a future refi and them wanting to keep the note in-house and would oblige... I’ve had banks agree to this strategy on SFRs and MFs under 4 units, wanted to know if this was possible w larger MF

    Understood.  Here's what I can tell you from those previous questions.  I'll copy and paste from your other post.

    What do you forecast the appraised value to be in 1 year when you refi? If the trading CAP rate remains the same as when I purchased, it should appraise for about $1,775,000. I plan to talk with my AIA agent who sold me the property and get his insight to the current values in the area and show him my rent roll. So we'll see.

    Did you discuss w US Bank that this is your strategy? Yes and they're not into refinancing down the road.  They don't have a pre-payment penalty but they do have a gap funding fee depending the rates at the time of payoff.  I'll have to see if that effects the payoff at all or to some degree.  I was working there at the time so had a good relationship with the commercial loan officer.  I also received some employee discounts.  He really held my hand through that first deal with I appreciated.

    If so, did they give you any input to refi the note w them?  As I said they really don't have an appetite for cash-out refinances.

    Or are you planning to do the refi w another lender?  I'll pursue agency debt next time since the building is now stabilized.

    Are you planning to recoup all of your equity when you refi? - I'll recoup as much as I can and re-capitalize.  

  • Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi thx for sharing!

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 33 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi proper work and congrats on the seeming home run. These are the deals that make life just a touch easier once all the groundwork is put in place. Hope the next one goes just as well for you!

  • Real Estate Agent · Austin · Member since 2019 · 100 posts · 28 votes
    7y

    @Gary Guidi That's great! Are these properties on MLS? How did you find them?

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