Finally Completed Our First Flip in Rochester, NY

Finally Completed Our First Flip in Rochester, NY

Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment in Rochester.

Purchase price: $63,000
Cash invested: $43,000
Sale price: $139,900

This is a 3 Bed 2 bath ranch style home. I am using the BRRRR method with this property. We are currently rehabbing the property and hope to be rent ready by April 1st. I will update this deal once we shake out the refi to see how much, if any, capital I have to leave in the deal.
UPDATE: Due to market conditions and my level of rehab on this property, we have decided to flip the house as opposed to renting it. I will update some pictures and final sale price once it is sold. You can see photos on my FB and IG pages.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This wasn't the type of investment I was looking for. I had set out to find a multi family property when this deal was brought to us. I have been reading/listening/educating for quite a while and just wanted to dive in and get our first deal done.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This was brought to us by an agent we had been working with. I fumbled my way through the walk through, estimated repairs on my own based on no experience other than our primary home. Made the offer I felt was fair for the condition and the market and after a few back and forth discussion's, we were able to agree and close.

How did you finance this deal?

I used a local community bank. We put 20% down and financed with a portfolio loan. We used personal funds for all of the rehab.

How did you add value to the deal?

There was a dining room that we ended up building in to a fourth bedroom due to the size of the kitchen. Replaced every window, new high efficiency furnace. All new plumbing, faucets, fixtures, switches, flooring, landscaping..etc

What was the outcome?

Due to current market conditions and the level of rehab we performed, we are putting this house on the market. I plan on taking the profits from the sale and looking to move in to a commercial multi family property. My wife is a real estate agent with KW and will be listing this house on Wednesday 9/25. I will update this post if anything should change.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

So many lessons..so many challenges. This was the best education so far. We learned a lot about ourselves as individuals and as a family. I talked to our 10 & 8 years old daughter's though the whole process of why Daddy was doing what he was doing so I hope they learned a few things as well. I picked up a few skills and tools along the way that will help me in the future and I am excited to find my next opportunity.

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Syndicator and Fund Manager 路 Victor, NY 路 Member since 2012 路 760 posts 路 345 votes
7y
Originally posted by @Shane W. Chapin:

@Derek Carroll Thank you Derek! The house is in Gates. We did the work ourselves but did have a contractor lay the kitchen tile and another to finish the hardwoods. It was an amazing learning experience for sure.

 Haha. Yea for sure. Many of my first flips I did the work myself and still enjoy it on my own house occasionally. I think the most fun is buying all the new tools. Let me know if I can help in anyway. Love talking real estate. Congrats on the first deal!

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  • Samuel S.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor 路 Rochester, NY 路 Member since 2018 路 22 posts 路 35 votes
    7y

    Congrats on the first one Shane! Onto the next one...馃榿

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Chattanooga, TN 路 Member since 2018 路 258 posts 路 136 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin That鈥檚 great! I鈥檓 trying to start investing in Rochester myself. I grew up in Rochester until I was 19 and I鈥檓 24 now and live in Suffolk, Virginia. I鈥檓 really thinking about buying properties up there as buy and holds since I know the area better than where I live now even after being here for 5 years and I still have plenty of people I know up there who can help me out.

  • Syndicator and Fund Manager 路 Victor, NY 路 Member since 2012 路 760 posts 路 345 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin

    Awesome! Market is hot in Rochester right now. What part of town was it in and who did you use for a contractor? Feel fee to PM me if you don鈥檛 want to post it here.

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @Samuel S. Thank you!

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @David Nacco What kind of properties are you looking to invest in up here? I鈥檓 willing to help if I can.

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @Derek Carroll Thank you Derek! The house is in Gates. We did the work ourselves but did have a contractor lay the kitchen tile and another to finish the hardwoods. It was an amazing learning experience for sure.

  • Syndicator and Fund Manager 路 Victor, NY 路 Member since 2012 路 760 posts 路 345 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Shane W. Chapin:

    @Derek Carroll Thank you Derek! The house is in Gates. We did the work ourselves but did have a contractor lay the kitchen tile and another to finish the hardwoods. It was an amazing learning experience for sure.

     Haha. Yea for sure. Many of my first flips I did the work myself and still enjoy it on my own house occasionally. I think the most fun is buying all the new tools. Let me know if I can help in anyway. Love talking real estate. Congrats on the first deal!

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Chattanooga, TN 路 Member since 2018 路 258 posts 路 136 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin My preference is multifamily nothing huge ideally 2-4 units but I would look into bigger ones also. I would consider single family buy and holds if they meet 2% rule or better but it鈥檚 not really what I鈥檓 shooting for. I prefer Greece, Hilton, Spencerport, Brockport area cause I know those areas the best but I鈥檒l look into anything in the Rochester area. I鈥檓 in the military right now and will be out next year and that is when I plan to start buying in Rochester since I will be a full time real estate agent at that point and will be able to drive up any weekend if I needed to

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @David Nacco Thank you for your service David. I am an Army Veteran myself so I know what it鈥檚 like to be away from home for a while. I鈥檓 on the hunt for the next opportunity and will keep you in mind once I find one that makes sense. Stay safe.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Chattanooga, TN 路 Member since 2018 路 258 posts 路 136 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin Awesome sounds great! And thanks to you too.

  • Investor 路 Rochester, NY 路 Member since 2014 路 18 posts 路 4 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin congrats on the flip and hopefully it sells quick! Did you look into refi for the BRRRR and the numbers didn't work our or was it too hard to pass up cashing in now and potentially investing in a multi family?

  • Flipper/Rehabber 路 Garrettsville, OH 路 Member since 2018 路 32 posts 路 9 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin Congrats Man! Im in the midst of my first one right now in Ohio. Looking forward to getting the first one under my belt as well! Thanks for you service man! And good luck in the future!

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @Ian C. Thank you! I had bought this with the intention of using the BRRRR but I really want to be in the larger multi family space. That combined with our current market, I felt selling was best for my goals in the long run.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Princeton, NJ 路 Member since 2016 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin - how long did it take? How much more would the rehab have cost if you had hired contractors for all of it? What would you NOT do going forward? (Were all the windows etc. really necessary?) Do you feel like you overpaid given the final condition? What will your selling costs be? What do you expect to net? My first rehab I bought for 87 and sold for 145 - 3% buyer agent - 3% concession = about $135k. I left it with existing windows, 40 year old oil tank furnace and no central air because I was already at the limit of what that house was worth (145 was the highest price for that model in recent history with average of 120-130 for less rehabbed ones). So the buyer accepted older windows and an old furnace and bought it anyway because I had stainless steel appliances, new floors and paint, granite counters, new cabinets, etc.. I always think of the highest amount an appraiser can reasonably justify and build as inexpensively as possible to that standard.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Orlando, FL 路 Member since 2019 路 105 posts 路 71 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin

    Congrats, I am a Rochester native relocated to Orlando but still hold and buy this n Rochester

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @Glidden Rivera I have family in Rockledge and have been looking to invest in Florida myself. Do you invest in Orlando as well as Rochester? I鈥檓 glad we connected Glidden, sounds like we may be able to help each other out 馃憤馃徎

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Orlando, FL 路 Member since 2019 路 105 posts 路 71 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin

    I am closing on 5 properties in Rochester in October. I am planning investing here. Very competitive though. I have been watching and learning the market here. Definitely be interested in networking and possibly partnering.

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    7y

    @Glidden Rivera Im open to that as well. I鈥檓 going to PM if you don鈥檛 mind. Interested in hearing about what your doing here in Rochester while living down there.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Orlando, FL 路 Member since 2019 路 105 posts 路 71 votes
    7y

    @Shane W. Chapin

    Look forward to it

  • Rochester, NY 路 Member since 2018 路 25 posts 路 4 votes
    6y

    Hi @Shane W. Chapin

    Congrats on your first flip! My husband and I just sold our first flip in June, also in Gates! We (aka my husband) did all the work with our house too. Itwas a really great learning experience for us also. We agreed that the market was too good to pass up! We just got an offer accepted in a multi family in Webster (we will live in half). 

    We also own a vacation rental in Bontia Springs. FL with a few friends. One of the investors is a real estate agent and property manager down there, so that has helped with a lot of peace of mind for us! 

    Its awesome to connect with other local people doing the same stuff as us! Wish you the best! 

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    6y

    @Kathryn Baker congrats on your deals Kathryn! I have family in Rockledge Florida so I have been looking to invest down there as well. Good luck with the multi family! Glad we connected.

  • Specialist 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2016 路 93 posts 路 57 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Natalie Schanne:

    @Shane W. Chapin - how long did it take? How much more would the rehab have cost if you had hired contractors for all of it? What would you NOT do going forward? (Were all the windows etc. really necessary?) Do you feel like you overpaid given the final condition? What will your selling costs be? What do you expect to net? My first rehab I bought for 87 and sold for 145 - 3% buyer agent - 3% concession = about $135k. I left it with existing windows, 40 year old oil tank furnace and no central air because I was already at the limit of what that house was worth (145 was the highest price for that model in recent history with average of 120-130 for less rehabbed ones). So the buyer accepted older windows and an old furnace and bought it anyway because I had stainless steel appliances, new floors and paint, granite counters, new cabinets, etc.. I always think of the highest amount an appraiser can reasonably justify and build as inexpensively as possible to that standard.

    Great questions here Natalie! It took us 8 1/2 months from start to finish on this property. I did try to get contractors in once I closed (3 actually) and for some reason, I never received any quotes so I am not sure how much more it would have cost but I am sure it would have been done a lot sooner. Going forward, I would like to be able to have a contractor get me an accurate rehab estimate up front so I could have planned better and maybe offered a little less for the house but in the long run, between the potential profit and the education we received, I still feel it was all worth it. I don't have the total selling cost's yet but my wife is a real estate agent and will be selling the house so I feel like I am saving a bit there. I guess there are things that we did that may not have been 100% necessary and could have saved a few bucks but in the end, I am trying to build a business and a reputation so we are proud of the product we have put in to the market.

  • Investor 路 Rochester, NY 路 Member since 2015 路 499 posts 路 169 votes
    6y

    You jumped in and you made it happen. Nice work, Shane. 

  • Macedon, NY 路 Member since 2016 路 43 posts 路 28 votes
    6y

    @Shane W. Chapin I finally found your finished post here! Great job! The final result looks great, and you really did the right thing by producing a product that you are proud to stand behind. My motto is good homes for good people. You seem to share that sentiment. 

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