Closed on my first property last week!

Closed on my first property last week!

Rental Property Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2018 · 98 posts · 138 votes

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Toledo.

Purchase price: $64,500
Cash invested: $19,445

First investment property and it's a duplex! Purchased sight unseen!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Stable cash-flowing duplex located within a half mile of a university and near where I grew up.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My realtor/property manager passed it along to me after one of his other investor clients stopped communicating with him. I quickly ran the numbers and after some back-and-forth with the seller was able to negotiate the price to $10,400 below asking, plus some seller credits at closing.

How did you finance this deal?

I used the HELOC on my primary residence to fund the down payment and initial repairs.

How did you add value to the deal?

We put together a repair/maintenance list based off of the initial property inspection and tenant requests and prioritized what needed immediate attention. My realtor/property manager already had a team in place to knock out most of the list within the first week!

What was the outcome?

Addressing the immediate repair issues helped set the tone for the type of landlord that I want to be and should build trust and loyalty with the inherited tenants.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Since I live in California and this property's in Ohio, I am very fortunate to have found an exceptional realtor/property manager who can get things done. Buying a property sight unseen, I feel it's imperative to find someone you can trust, build a relationship, and follow their guidance. The main challenge I encountered was getting over my fear of taking the first steps. In the end, I can't believe how easy everything fell into place.

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Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
6y

Did you have a foundation specialist in to check that foundation? Looks like possible step cracks? Unfortunately I don’t think this much water inside the basement would be caused by shrubs, it’s more likely you have a bigger issue. If those are indeed step cracks, and the water is entering through the mortar lines, that would explain the large amount of water and would be an indication of the beginnings of foundation failure unfortunately. This wouldn’t be caused by a few plants growing on the outside, but rather by a large amount of pressure being exerted on the foundation walls over time, causing them to crack along the points where the blocks are bonded (mortar lines) which are the weakest point and therefore the first points along which the foundation will show signs of failure. Putting drylok on the inside may reduce the amount of water entering in the short term but failing to address the pressure issue on the outside will just make the problem worse over time as the water isn’t prevented from coming into the wall itself as only the inside is sealed, so it just gets trapped in the wall, further degrading the structural integrity of the wall. I would get a foundation specialist out to assess the issue if you haven’t. Ideally you would have taken this step during the inspection contingency period but I’m assuming it’s too late for that now, so keep that in mind for next one I guess. Part of the reason I'd never buy a place sight-unseen but to each his own. Slapping some drylok on the inside, removing some plants and throwing some dirt on the outside may not be an adequate solution, in fact I'd be surprised if it works... possible legit solutions will be to dig up the yard to assess the outside of the foundation wall, and address the pressure issue by back filling around the wall properly, sealing the outside of the foundation wall (not the inside), improving the negative grading issue with more than just adding some loose dirt on top, and adding French drains. Depending on how long that much water has been entering the basement, you’ll want to look at the floor joists and check for mold/rot. If you’re planning to keep this property as a buy and hold I would address the foundation issue properly before it gets worse and leads to a more expensive repair down the road. Whoever did the walk through/inspection should have informed you of the possibility of foundation issues here and recommended having an expert take a look. 

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  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring if you’re planning on holding this property it’s probably not a bad idea to have somebody who knows what they’re talking about like a foundation specialist take a look. I’d recommend finding a 3rd party on your own who isn’t affiliated with your agent or PM because it seems they’ve already dropped the ball on this issue. I wouldn’t trust anyone making light of this, as it will certainly effect your wallet at some point if you’re planning to hold this property. It’s true many basements have some amount of water and almost all have at least some efflorescence, but that doesn’t mean it’s not an issue to be concerned with if there’s more than a little water which from the photos, there’s obviously more than a little water in this basement. The problem with that is it means the foundation likely has significant cracks which could be an indication it is in need of expensive repairs. If permanent repairs aren’t made, the risk is that the foundation continues cracking, the walls start to bow inward and eventually they fail. Also that much water inevitably creates mold which is not only a health concern for your tenants, potentially leading to vacancy/inability to collect rent, but it also causes wood-framed construction to rot. Once mold spreads throughout the house, gets into the sheetrock, framing etc. you’ve got major issues. It’s something I’d want to nip in the bud personally. Applying waterproof paint inside is a very short-term fix. It usually bubbles and flakes off in a matter of a few months and actually makes the problem worse over time. It could be just a matter of adding a sump pump and a French drain, and hopefully that’s the case. I can tell you with high certainty that the drylok, shrub removal and “grading” your PM did is not going to resolve the issue permanently because from the photos we can see significant water seepage through the bottom of the foundation walls especially in the corners which is a textbook indication of a pressure issue. I’d caution you that anyone glossing over foundation issues is probably biased in some way trying to sell you on the property or sell you additional properties or a turnkey provider or something, and honestly I wouldn’t trust anything else that person says personally. What else are they overlooking if something as basic as a leaking foundation is glossed over? It’s common sense that something to check for in a property is whether or not it’s got foundation issues, and that much water intrusion would be a concern of foundation issues for me as someone who actually works on and has owned rentals for years. There are enough expenses associated with owning property that will eat into your cash flow over time, just regular maintenance stuff on an older house like this could easily consume all of your cash flow, and major capex issues such as a foundation repair or a new roof could easily eat up many years worth of capex reserves so I would recommend paying close attention to this type of thing. Anyone telling you differently simply does not have your long-term best interests in mind.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring good work! What are the rents and market val on this bad boy? What are the monthly expenses? looks like a good deal

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2019 · 24 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring very inspirational! Congrats! And thanks for sharing!

  • Member since 2019 · 34 posts · 10 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring Congratulations

  • Rental Property Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2019 · 85 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congrats! How did you negotiate? About to buy my first one but my realtor seem to not understand that it’s an investment property

  • Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congratulations

  • NaTarrio JonesPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · League City, TX · Member since 2016 · 97 posts · 32 votes
    6y

    Congrats.

  • Brampton · Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Congrats, great work!

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congrats

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congrats!

  • Specialist · Omaha · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring very nice!! Congrats!

  • Kevin FengPro Member
    NJ · Member since 2019 · 29 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congrats!

  • Tampa, FL · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Congratulations Justin!

  • Atlanta GA · Member since 2019 · 101 posts · 59 votes
    6y

    Congrats man! I'm so pumped cuz of this.

    🍻🍻🍻🍻

  • Rental Property Investor · Greeley, CO · Member since 2019 · 56 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    That’s awesome congratulations

  • Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congratulations *tips hat*

  • Real Estate Agent · Ogden Utah · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring.

    Congratulations!

  • Rental Property Investor · Queens, NY · Member since 2019 · 28 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring

    Congrats.. that's great now just have to keep moving forward.

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2019 · 34 posts · 11 votes
    6y

    @Keenan Pearson home equity line of credit. You take money out of your existing property.

  • Eric SharpPro Member
    Investor · Clearwater, FL · Member since 2014 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring congratulations on taking action! Sounds like you have a great property manager/realtor along with a nice property.

  • Real Estate Agent · Diamond Bar, CA · Member since 2016 · 112 posts · 29 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring

    Congrats! I'm looking for a property for out in that area. Would you mind sending me their info?

  • Real Estate Agent · Northville, MI · Member since 2019 · 19 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    Congratulations @Justin Wotring! Thank you for sharing your success story with everyone! 

    For someone all the way in California, how would you recommend someone go about finding/building a team in another state? 

    Thank you for your insight! Jeremy

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX (dallas tx) · Member since 2019 · 15 posts · 32 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotring

    Congrats man. I love seeing people getting started. It motivates me to push through this learning phase.

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Justin Wotringcongrats. Looking to close on my first soon.

  • Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    Great job bro

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