Discovered BP, Then Bought 3 Long-Distance Props In 14 Months!

Discovered BP, Then Bought 3 Long-Distance Props In 14 Months!

Rental Property Investor · Fresno, CA · Member since 2018 · 112 posts · 166 votes

Background: 

I've always had an interest in owning rental property, but due to living in CA and my inexperience I had assumed it was only accessible to those with significant cash in the bank, so I figured it was something I'd pursue later in life. However, after stumbling across the Bigger Pockets Podcast one day during my morning commute, it completely changed my life. Purchased 3 out of state rentals over the next 9 months and I'm hooked! Below is a summary of the timeline and the 3 deals:

1. Education:

Listened to my first BP Podcast in October of 2018 and never stopped. I spent the next 6 months listening to BP Podcasts every chance I had, and then it all came full circle when I read "Rich Dad Poor Dad." Followed up with some books by David Greene and Brandon Turner, lots and lots of research, and then gained the confidence to take action!

2. Identify a Strategy:

Due to my location and the cost of owning property locally in the current market cycle (as well as state laws that are not landlord friendly), I was particularly interested in out-of-state rentals. Due to my funding source, I decided that using the BRRRR strategy was the most attractive method I was familiar with to purchase properties quickly and repetitively.

3. Secure Funding:

I decided to open a HELOC on my primary residence, as it had experienced forced and natural appreciation since we purchased it a few years prior. I researched lenders for many weeks until I finally found a credit union that would lend up to 100% LTV! The process was slow and I had to challenge the appraisal, but we were eventually approved for the HELOC, and it was funded in April of 2019.

4. Identify a Market:

I spent a lot of long nights researching the "perfect" market to invest in. I'm a big believer that cash flow is king, so I was looking for an accessible market with strong cash flow. I wanted properties under $100k, in need of rehab, and I wasn't too concerned with long-term appreciation. After a few months of analysis paralysis, I had a solid list of potential markets. I finally decided to just pick one, and went all-in on Columbus, OH. I spent some time analyzing neighborhood statistics, rental rates, and sale prices.

5. Find a Team:

Keeping David Greene's "Rockstars know Rockstars" quote in mind, I knew all it took was finding one member of the team to get rolling. I found my RE Agent on Zillow, as he was highly rated, had significant recent sales, and had a history of working with investors. He has been fantastic since day 1, and has guided me through this process. He had significant knowledge of the local rental market, and his experience owning his own rental properties was particularly helpful. He walks through the properties, takes videos, gives me his thoughts, we analyze the rehab, and I decide an offer price. He also introduced me to a great local lender. I also found a highly rated property manager on BP, and contacted him shortly thereafter (I didn't end up using a PM right away, as I wanted to learn property management on my own before hiring someone to do it, but I just recently hired that same PM to manage all 3 properties). I've since been introduced to an investment-minded local lender through a member on BP, and am actively working with him now to refinance a few properties. In summary: rockstars do know rockstars, and the internet is such a powerful tool that can get you in contact with the best in the business.

6. The Properties:

      Property #1:

      • Location: Columbus, OH
      • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF) w/ garage
      • Source: MLS (We found it day 1, deal accepted the following morning!)
      • Listing Price: $65,000
      • Purchase Price: $71,000 (Due to competitive market, we wanted to get it locked in fast)
      • Rehab: $18,000
      • Purchase Date: May 2019
      • Funding Source: Cash (HELOC) was used for purchase and rehab
      • Occupancy Status: Vacant
      • Appraised ARV: $107,000 (Refinanced to 30 YR fixed at 75% LTV after 6 month seasoning)
      • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: $620
      • Current Monthly Rent: $1,150
      • Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $530
      • Lessons Learned: HELOC = same as cash. Buying a property with cash is so much easier than using a lender. Everything was signed using Docusign (notary not required), we closed quick, closing costs were minimal. However, be sure to check with your bank for wiring instructions ahead of time so you are prepared. My bank is located out of town, and I realized the day before scheduled closing that if you can't visit a local branch they require a wet-signed letter mailed for any wire transfers over $1,000. I had to overnight a letter to them and we still had to delay closing one day. The whole process was very frustrating. Also, 6 month seasoning prior to refinancing is a killer!

      Property #2:

      • Location: Columbus, OH
      • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF)
      • Source: MLS (VA Foreclosure)
      • Listing Price: $69,500
      • Purchase Price: $69,500
      • Rehab: $17,000
      • Purchase Date: Nov 2019
      • Funding Source: Hard Money @ 12% for purchase and rehab, Cash (HELOC) used for 20% down pmt
      • Occupancy Status: Vacant
      • Appraised ARV: TBD (estimated at $110k to $115k). At 6 months, will refinance to 30 year fixed.
      • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: Estimated at $680 (this one has flood insurance)
      • Current Monthly Rent: $1,125
      • Projected Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $445
      • Lessons Learned: Hard money is so easy to get it's scary. I decided to go with hard money in an effort to speed up the buying process, and to get a better understanding of hard money in general. This allowed me to purchase property #3 (see below) only a few months later, rather than wait the 6 month seasoning. Still debating whether it was worth the interest rate and closing costs. In working with my lender, on the next purchase I plan to have title include rehab costs in the purchase price on the HUD, so that I can attempt to use delayed financing to refinance my purchase and rehab money out sooner than 6 months. The effectiveness of this strategy is TBD, but I've heard it mentioned on the podcasts and have read about it on the forums multiple times.

      Property #3:

      • Location: Columbus, OH
      • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF)
      • Source: Wholesaler who knew my RE agent
      • Asking Price: $80,000
      • Purchase Price: $77,500 (Includes $7,500 assignment fee to wholesaler)
      • Rehab: $0!
      • Purchase Date: Jan 2020
      • Funding Source: Hard Money @ 12%, Cash (HELOC) used for 20% down pmt
      • Occupancy Status: Occupied (paying way below market rent)
      • Appraised Value: TBD (estimated at $100k-$110k). Will refinance to 30 year fixed.
      • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: Estimated at $625
      • Current Monthly Rent: In negotiation, trying to increase to $800 for now. Tenant has been there many years and I see a lot of value in keeping them, even at under-market rent due to the care they have for the property and their history of on-time payments. I believe market rent as the property sits now is closer to $1,000.
      • Projected Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $175
      • Lessons Learned: Taking over an occupied property was more difficult than I thought it would be. Had a hard time getting a copy of the current lease and contact info for tenants. Once I did, I found that the tenants are genuinely nice people, so I stressed out about how to tell them I had to up the rent. This, combined with them informing me that the property had some deferred maintenance, made me realize it was time to hire a property manager, as I was feeling a bit lost in this scenario, and spending too much time worrying about small items when I'd rather be buying more property. Also, when buying an occupied property make sure the tenant's safety deposit and partial month's rent (for remainder of the month of closing) are included in the HUD.

      In Conclusion:

      I know many investors have done much more in much less time, but if you told me a year ago I'd have 3 out of state rentals by now, I'd be shocked. It's been a great ride so far, a lot of lessons learned, and I'm so thankful for the BP community and everything I've gained from it. Hopefully this post helps someone else in the way BP has helped me. I'm now actively looking for my fourth OOS deal, have aspirations to jump into multifamily, and have been doing a lot of research on syndications for both value-add and local development. Please feel free to ask questions or private message me anytime, I'd be more than happy to help someone that's trying to start where I was a year ago. I would also appreciate any feedback or suggestions you may have.

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        Member since 2019 · 89 posts · 64 votes
        6y

        Congrats on getting off to a great start. Curious what parts of the city are you buying in? Who is estimating your ARV on the projects before making the purchase? And about how long did the rehabs take?

        See this reply in the discussion

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        • Real Estate Agent · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2019 · 194 posts · 181 votes
          6y

          @Tyler Caglia

          Great stuff man! You may want to look deeper into delayed financing as some of the rules have changed... one way around this is to find a lender who will lend out of their own portfolio and this a 6 month wait period is irrelevant.

        • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 30 posts · 16 votes
          6y

          @Tyler Caglia

          Hey Tyler

          Great post.

          How did you narrow down your geographic location for OOS.

          I am down to 3 cities in NC but cant seem to settle on the best one.

          Would love to know your research process..

          Best of luck on your next acquisition.

        • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 834 posts · 449 votes
          6y

          congrats

        • Real Estate Agent · Naperville, IL · Member since 2014 · 196 posts · 130 votes
          6y

          @Tyler Caglia

          Congrats! I don't know too much about Ohio.  Are there properties in b,c, or d areas?

        • New to Real Estate · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 2 votes
          6y

          @Tyler Caglia Your post has definitely helped me! Thank you! Could you provide the name of the agent you use in Columbus?

        • Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2020 · 562 posts · 554 votes
          6y

          @Tyler Caglia

          Congrats!! Thanks for sharing!!

        • Robert EllisBusiness Member
          Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          6y
          Originally posted by @Tyler Caglia:

          Background: 

          I've always had an interest in owning rental property, but due to living in CA and my inexperience I had assumed it was only accessible to those with significant cash in the bank, so I figured it was something I'd pursue later in life. However, after stumbling across the Bigger Pockets Podcast one day during my morning commute, it completely changed my life. Purchased 3 out of state rentals over the next 9 months and I'm hooked! Below is a summary of the timeline and the 3 deals:

          1. Education:

          Listened to my first BP Podcast in October of 2018 and never stopped. I spent the next 6 months listening to BP Podcasts every chance I had, and then it all came full circle when I read "Rich Dad Poor Dad." Followed up with some books by David Greene and Brandon Turner, lots and lots of research, and then gained the confidence to take action!

          2. Identify a Strategy:

          Due to my location and the cost of owning property locally in the current market cycle (as well as state laws that are not landlord friendly), I was particularly interested in out-of-state rentals. Due to my funding source, I decided that using the BRRRR strategy was the most attractive method I was familiar with to purchase properties quickly and repetitively.

          3. Secure Funding:

          I decided to open a HELOC on my primary residence, as it had experienced forced and natural appreciation since we purchased it a few years prior. I researched lenders for many weeks until I finally found a credit union that would lend up to 100% LTV! The process was slow and I had to challenge the appraisal, but we were eventually approved for the HELOC, and it was funded in April of 2019.

          4. Identify a Market:

          I spent a lot of long nights researching the "perfect" market to invest in. I'm a big believer that cash flow is king, so I was looking for an accessible market with strong cash flow. I wanted properties under $100k, in need of rehab, and I wasn't too concerned with long-term appreciation. After a few months of analysis paralysis, I had a solid list of potential markets. I finally decided to just pick one, and went all-in on Columbus, OH. I spent some time analyzing neighborhood statistics, rental rates, and sale prices.

          5. Find a Team:

          Keeping David Greene's "Rockstars know Rockstars" quote in mind, I knew all it took was finding one member of the team to get rolling. I found my RE Agent on Zillow, as he was highly rated, had significant recent sales, and had a history of working with investors. He has been fantastic since day 1, and has guided me through this process. He had significant knowledge of the local rental market, and his experience owning his own rental properties was particularly helpful. He walks through the properties, takes videos, gives me his thoughts, we analyze the rehab, and I decide an offer price. He also introduced me to a great local lender. I also found a highly rated property manager on BP, and contacted him shortly thereafter (I didn't end up using a PM right away, as I wanted to learn property management on my own before hiring someone to do it, but I just recently hired that same PM to manage all 3 properties). I've since been introduced to an investment-minded local lender through a member on BP, and am actively working with him now to refinance a few properties. In summary: rockstars do know rockstars, and the internet is such a powerful tool that can get you in contact with the best in the business.

          6. The Properties:

              Property #1:

              • Location: Columbus, OH
              • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF) w/ garage
              • Source: MLS (We found it day 1, deal accepted the following morning!)
              • Listing Price: $65,000
              • Purchase Price: $71,000 (Due to competitive market, we wanted to get it locked in fast)
              • Rehab: $18,000
              • Purchase Date: May 2019
              • Funding Source: Cash (HELOC) was used for purchase and rehab
              • Occupancy Status: Vacant
              • Appraised ARV: $107,000 (Refinanced to 30 YR fixed at 75% LTV after 6 month seasoning)
              • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: $620
              • Current Monthly Rent: $1,150
              • Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $530
              • Lessons Learned: HELOC = same as cash. Buying a property with cash is so much easier than using a lender. Everything was signed using Docusign (notary not required), we closed quick, closing costs were minimal. However, be sure to check with your bank for wiring instructions ahead of time so you are prepared. My bank is located out of town, and I realized the day before scheduled closing that if you can't visit a local branch they require a wet-signed letter mailed for any wire transfers over $1,000. I had to overnight a letter to them and we still had to delay closing one day. The whole process was very frustrating. Also, 6 month seasoning prior to refinancing is a killer!

              Property #2:

              • Location: Columbus, OH
              • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF)
              • Source: MLS (VA Foreclosure)
              • Listing Price: $69,500
              • Purchase Price: $69,500
              • Rehab: $17,000
              • Purchase Date: Nov 2019
              • Funding Source: Hard Money @ 12% for purchase and rehab, Cash (HELOC) used for 20% down pmt
              • Occupancy Status: Vacant
              • Appraised ARV: TBD (estimated at $110k to $115k). At 6 months, will refinance to 30 year fixed.
              • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: Estimated at $680 (this one has flood insurance)
              • Current Monthly Rent: $1,125
              • Projected Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $445
              • Lessons Learned: Hard money is so easy to get it's scary. I decided to go with hard money in an effort to speed up the buying process, and to get a better understanding of hard money in general. This allowed me to purchase property #3 (see below) only a few months later, rather than wait the 6 month seasoning. Still debating whether it was worth the interest rate and closing costs. In working with my lender, on the next purchase I plan to have title include rehab costs in the purchase price on the HUD, so that I can attempt to use delayed financing to refinance my purchase and rehab money out sooner than 6 months. The effectiveness of this strategy is TBD, but I've heard it mentioned on the podcasts and have read about it on the forums multiple times.

              Property #3:

              • Location: Columbus, OH
              • Size: 3 BR/ 1 BA (950 SF)
              • Source: Wholesaler who knew my RE agent
              • Asking Price: $80,000
              • Purchase Price: $77,500 (Includes $7,500 assignment fee to wholesaler)
              • Rehab: $0!
              • Purchase Date: Jan 2020
              • Funding Source: Hard Money @ 12%, Cash (HELOC) used for 20% down pmt
              • Occupancy Status: Occupied (paying way below market rent)
              • Appraised Value: TBD (estimated at $100k-$110k). Will refinance to 30 year fixed.
              • Post-Refinance Monthly Mortgage, Taxes, Insurance: Estimated at $625
              • Current Monthly Rent: In negotiation, trying to increase to $800 for now. Tenant has been there many years and I see a lot of value in keeping them, even at under-market rent due to the care they have for the property and their history of on-time payments. I believe market rent as the property sits now is closer to $1,000.
              • Projected Monthly Cash Flow (not accounting for vacancy, PM, or maintenance): $175
              • Lessons Learned: Taking over an occupied property was more difficult than I thought it would be. Had a hard time getting a copy of the current lease and contact info for tenants. Once I did, I found that the tenants are genuinely nice people, so I stressed out about how to tell them I had to up the rent. This, combined with them informing me that the property had some deferred maintenance, made me realize it was time to hire a property manager, as I was feeling a bit lost in this scenario, and spending too much time worrying about small items when I'd rather be buying more property. Also, when buying an occupied property make sure the tenant's safety deposit and partial month's rent (for remainder of the month of closing) are included in the HUD.

              In Conclusion:

              I know many investors have done much more in much less time, but if you told me a year ago I'd have 3 out of state rentals by now, I'd be shocked. It's been a great ride so far, a lot of lessons learned, and I'm so thankful for the BP community and everything I've gained from it. Hopefully this post helps someone else in the way BP has helped me. I'm now actively looking for my fourth OOS deal, have aspirations to jump into multifamily, and have been doing a lot of research on syndications for both value-add and local development. Please feel free to ask questions or private message me anytime, I'd be more than happy to help someone that's trying to start where I was a year ago. I would also appreciate any feedback or suggestions you may have.

                Congrats, what zips did you invest in columbus? just wondering because you can still get better deals than this i'm wondering what your strategy was locally besides BRRRR? like what class tenants, etc.

              • New to Real Estate · CT · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 12 votes
                6y

                @Caleb Heimsoth

                Fantastic! I love the way you wrote this, thanks for sharing I know for me this is why I come to BP and horay for you my friend, you did it! Your doing, here is to your continued success!!! 🙌

              • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
                6y

                Awesome breakdown my dude!!

              • Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 10 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia

                Very exciting! Your on your way!

              • Real Estate Agent · Worcester Ma · Member since 2019 · 118 posts · 117 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia

                Tyler thank you so much for sharing! Im currently in the educational level, reading a book a week and listening to BP podcasts whenever I can. I truly believe that educating yourself is a priority and has endless opportunities for growth. I'm glad to see someone succeed in the path I'm setting for myself.

                Cheers!

              • New to Real Estate · Orlando, FL · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 4 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia wow, Congratulations on your journey so far. You are an inspiration, thank you for sharing and pointing out the steps you took.

              • Missoula, MT · Member since 2016 · 163 posts · 55 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia

                Very inspirational, i hope to do the same steps you did with some multi family properties minus the HELOC.

              • Realtor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 14 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia congrats!  Which neighborhoods do you consider southeast Columbus? Southern Orchards?  Same question for @John Wright

              • Real Estate Agent · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 63 votes
                6y

                @Markus Atkins @Tyler Caglia My property is on Thurman Ave right down from the world famous Thurmans Cafe! Lol I believe it’s technically Southern Orchards but I also like Merion Village, OTE, Franklin Park, and Franklinton to the West.

              • Realtor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 14 votes
                6y

                @John Wright sounds like you got a killer location!  I think you're looking at things great from an investment perspective.  I know I'm the only person in Columbus who thinks so, but I'm still a little skeptical of Franklinton.  Gravity is a cool project down there, but I'm gonna hold off for now.

              • Real Estate Broker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 248 posts · 240 votes
                6y

                WOW! Congrats @Tyler Caglia You are going to be a rich man one day! Awesome work on the detail of this post too! Good luck!

              • Real Estate Agent · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 63 votes
                6y

                @Markus Atkins we might already be to late for OTE and Franklinton! In all honesty I would buy almost anywhere East of Parsons. I love the backstory of Children’s up there. It reminds me of Madisonville down here in Cincy.

              • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 3 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia

                Congrats on your success!

                Did you look at any turnkey property providers in the area and compare those to the ones you found?

              • Investor · Beacon Falls, CT · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 3 votes
                6y

                Tyler, did you have to have a great credit score for the credit union to go up to 100% LTV for you?

                Was this a local credit union or one that would deal with people nation wide?

                -Joe from CT 

              • Real Estate Agent · Memphis, TN · Member since 2019 · 261 posts · 253 votes
                6y

                Congrats and keep going!  Sounds like you grinded it out with a tried and true strategy that can really work out well with enough planning and patience.

                I like the sound of Columbus and even have family up there; if I weren't living in a hot investor market, I would even pick up one or two myself up there.  What was the final deciding factor on Columbus over other cities?

              • Rental Property Investor · Gig Harbor, WA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia

                Awesome breakdown. I am hopefully following down the footsteps in the not to distant future. Would love to connect as I am looking and currently own in out of state markets as well.

              • Rental Property Investor · Arvada, CO · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 11 votes
                6y

                @Tyler Caglia congrats on taking action and getting 3 rentals in one year! That's really awesome! I started with my first rental last year and I'm looking into purchasing an out of state property in 2020. I have a few questions about the process.

                How did you find and manage your contractors for rehabbing? From what I've read, this seems like one of the most challenging issues with out of state investments.

                your projected cash flow doesn't account for vacancy, maintenance and property management? Isn't cashflow the remainder after all of those other expenses are covered?

              • Rental Property Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2018 · 174 posts · 129 votes
                6y

                Congratulations @Tyler Caglia! Looks like you’re doing great things and it’s inspirational!

                Just wondering and kind of a question for everyone, why do people show their cashflow without including Vacancy, CapEx, and Maintenance? Is it to make the numbers just look better, or because they are kind of hard to know for a new market? I see turnkey companies all doing this, seemingly to inflate projected returns. I can see making CapEx lower for a newly rehabbed property, but why not estimate and include vacancy and maintenance?

              • Rental Property Investor · Fresno, CA · Member since 2018 · 112 posts · 166 votes
                6y

                @Dylan H. I only do it for sake of clarity when discussing numbers with others because those are all variable costs that change depending on how you analyze the property. So I could assume say 10% for vacancy while another investor might assume 15%. By taking those variables out of the equation (and making it clear that the cash flow doesn’t include them) it allows anybody to evaluate someone else’s numbers quickly and with less confusion. One person might evaluate my numbers using their own variables and conclude that I have solid cash flow, while another might think the opposite.

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