16 Unit Multi-Family Deal Analysis - 1st investment

16 Unit Multi-Family Deal Analysis - 1st investment

Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes

Hi everyone - I have been looking for my first investment for some time now. I finally found something that looks good (to me) but wanted to get others' thoughts.

It's a 16-unit apartment building located in a pretty good area. It was built in the 70's and was remodeled about 5 years ago. It's not distressed so one of my main concerns is if the numbers they provide in the listing are correct, why are they selling?

I have only seen it online, it's not close to me so I'm just going off their numbers for now. They say it's fully occupied and everything is in move-in ready condition. No fixing up needed.

Purchase price = $644,000
Units = 16
Occupancy = 100%
4 x 2BR @ $580 / month
12 x 1BR @ $490 / month

Monthly rents = $8,200
Yearly rents = $98,400
NOI with 50 % rule with 8.3% vacancy = $49,176
Includes cost of PM @ 12%

20% down with loan at 4.3%
Cap rate = 7.6%
Cash flow = $18,763 ($130 per door per month)

The NOI they have in the listing is slightly higher which makes it an 8.25 cap. I overestimated the expenses to 50%.

CoCr is 11.66% and total ROI is 17.06% based on my calculations.

This seems relatively turnkey and I wasn't sure how good these numbers were for a turnkey investment.

I am ready to put my money into something and I am having a hard time finding something where the numbers make sense. Any help is appreciated!

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Commercial Real Estate Broker · Menifee, CA · Member since 2009 · 21 posts · 17 votes
13y

Be sure to do your due diligence, for you info.

By: Dike Drummond
Submitted: 05:32PM on Thursday 30 October 2008
The author has permitted the reprinting and redistribution of this article.
See our Terms of Use for more information on reproducing it.
Here are three of the most common “Dirty Tricks” Commercial Property Sellers can try to pull on you during the purchase process. And - here's the fun part - I will also tell you exactly how you can catch them in the act and turn the tables to your advantage.
===================

Dirty Trick #1 “Stack It with Felons”

Some Sellers, typically those in desperate straits, will polish the performance numbers on their property by lowering their tenant screening standards. They fill the property with inappropriate tenants in the months preceding the sale. This is especially worrisome in multifamily properties AND it can happen in all types of properties.

In Office and Retail Properties, the Seller can sign inferior credit tenants or higher risk businesses.

On paper, this looks like they've been an excellent property manager with a profitable property. And you won't know any different until you get into your own Due Diligence.

Here is how you catch them …

When you and your Property Manager are doing the walk through and Lease Audit, make sure you review the Tenant Screening Procedures on each and every Tenant. If the Seller hasn't screened tenants adequately - you may notice that they have literally stacked the property with felons… the jig is up. Since you will be doing your Lease Audit in the early portion of Due Diligence you will be able to get out of the Contract and get your Earnest Money back.

====================

Dirty Trick #2 “The Contract Bonus”

Multi-year contracts for services such as laundry often involve a large signing bonus. Some sellers will sign a new laundry contract either just before putting a property on the market or even while you're under Contract. They honestly think they'll be able to keep that $15,000 bonus to themselves… and that you won't find out.

Even worse, they will often take as large an upfront bonus as possible and leave you with a much lower split of laundry income for the life of the contract. The larger the upfront bonus, the less you will receive in profit sharing.

Example: the Seller signs a new laundry contract and take $20k up front as a Bonus and agree to laundry income split 80% to the laundry company and 20% to the owner … instead of a more favorable split arrangement.

Here's how you catch them …

Make sure your Purchase Contract states that the Seller will provide you with all Vendor Contracts. Make sure you also have a solid “Pro-Rations” Clause as well. A Pro-Rations Clause will ensure that the Seller only gets that fraction of the signing bonus equal to their fraction of their time in ownership.

Example: If the Seller signs a three-year Laundry Contract with a $15,000 bonus 90 days before your purchase is complete and you have a solid Prorations Clause in your Purchase contract … they will only get to keep 8.2% of that bonus … because 90 days is 8.2% of three years.

=====================

Dirty Trick #3 “Let It Die”

It can be a long time between signing your original Purchase and Sale Contract and closing on the Property. 90 days is typical and even longer is not uncommon in today's market.

Often the Seller will simply stop maintaining the Property when it is under Contract. Tenants will put in work orders and the Seller will just ignore them. They just let the Property “Die”.

If you don't catch them, you may take over a Property where there are literally hundreds of active work orders on the day you take ownership. The tenants will be pissed and it will cost you a fortune to do all the repairs.

Here's how you catch them …

Make sure your Purchase Contract contains a clause stating the Seller will continue normal operations and maintenance activities during the Contract Period. And continue to review the Property Management reports from the Seller's Property Manager every week while you are under contract.

Stop in on the Property frequently while you are under Contract.

A well written Contract should give you rights to visit the property with 24 hours notice. Schedule a visit and review the Work Order Logs in person and verify the Seller is doing their job.

Keep them honest and hold them to the terms of your Contract.

======================

As you can see, a well written Contract is structured to decrease your risks if you're unfortunate enough to deal with an unscrupulous Seller. There are hundreds of other ways Sellers can try to sweep problems under the rug. These are the big three we have seen repeatedly.

And now you know exactly how to “Catch Them in the Act” and quickly turn the tables in your favor.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    What term are you expecting on the loan? I can get close to your numbers, but only assuming a 30 year loan. I didn't think most commercial lenders were doing those.

  • Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes
    13y

    Jon Holdman - yes, this was assuming a 30 year term. I wasn't aware they didn't offer 30 year for commercial loans. What is the going term? 20 year? Is that rate accurate though?

    Thanks for pointing that out, could make a big difference in my future calculations.

    Also, I estimated 50% expenses with 12% PM included in that. Should the PM be in addition to 50%?

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    The 50% rule of thumb include property management. And vacancy, all other expenses (e.g., taxes, insurance, common area utilities, routine maintenance) and capital (roofs, boilers, etc.)

    You certainly are not going to get a 30 year fixed rate loan. From what Joel Owens has said (he works this area), 20 year amortization with 5 year balloons might be common. 15 year fixed might be possible. You definitely want to get out there and shop lenders, if you don't have something lined up already.

  • Commercial Real Estate Broker · Menifee, CA · Member since 2009 · 21 posts · 17 votes
    13y

    Be sure to do your due diligence, for you info.

    By: Dike Drummond
    Submitted: 05:32PM on Thursday 30 October 2008
    The author has permitted the reprinting and redistribution of this article.
    See our Terms of Use for more information on reproducing it.
    Here are three of the most common “Dirty Tricks” Commercial Property Sellers can try to pull on you during the purchase process. And - here's the fun part - I will also tell you exactly how you can catch them in the act and turn the tables to your advantage.
    ===================

    Dirty Trick #1 “Stack It with Felons”

    Some Sellers, typically those in desperate straits, will polish the performance numbers on their property by lowering their tenant screening standards. They fill the property with inappropriate tenants in the months preceding the sale. This is especially worrisome in multifamily properties AND it can happen in all types of properties.

    In Office and Retail Properties, the Seller can sign inferior credit tenants or higher risk businesses.

    On paper, this looks like they've been an excellent property manager with a profitable property. And you won't know any different until you get into your own Due Diligence.

    Here is how you catch them …

    When you and your Property Manager are doing the walk through and Lease Audit, make sure you review the Tenant Screening Procedures on each and every Tenant. If the Seller hasn't screened tenants adequately - you may notice that they have literally stacked the property with felons… the jig is up. Since you will be doing your Lease Audit in the early portion of Due Diligence you will be able to get out of the Contract and get your Earnest Money back.

    ====================

    Dirty Trick #2 “The Contract Bonus”

    Multi-year contracts for services such as laundry often involve a large signing bonus. Some sellers will sign a new laundry contract either just before putting a property on the market or even while you're under Contract. They honestly think they'll be able to keep that $15,000 bonus to themselves… and that you won't find out.

    Even worse, they will often take as large an upfront bonus as possible and leave you with a much lower split of laundry income for the life of the contract. The larger the upfront bonus, the less you will receive in profit sharing.

    Example: the Seller signs a new laundry contract and take $20k up front as a Bonus and agree to laundry income split 80% to the laundry company and 20% to the owner … instead of a more favorable split arrangement.

    Here's how you catch them …

    Make sure your Purchase Contract states that the Seller will provide you with all Vendor Contracts. Make sure you also have a solid “Pro-Rations” Clause as well. A Pro-Rations Clause will ensure that the Seller only gets that fraction of the signing bonus equal to their fraction of their time in ownership.

    Example: If the Seller signs a three-year Laundry Contract with a $15,000 bonus 90 days before your purchase is complete and you have a solid Prorations Clause in your Purchase contract … they will only get to keep 8.2% of that bonus … because 90 days is 8.2% of three years.

    =====================

    Dirty Trick #3 “Let It Die”

    It can be a long time between signing your original Purchase and Sale Contract and closing on the Property. 90 days is typical and even longer is not uncommon in today's market.

    Often the Seller will simply stop maintaining the Property when it is under Contract. Tenants will put in work orders and the Seller will just ignore them. They just let the Property “Die”.

    If you don't catch them, you may take over a Property where there are literally hundreds of active work orders on the day you take ownership. The tenants will be pissed and it will cost you a fortune to do all the repairs.

    Here's how you catch them …

    Make sure your Purchase Contract contains a clause stating the Seller will continue normal operations and maintenance activities during the Contract Period. And continue to review the Property Management reports from the Seller's Property Manager every week while you are under contract.

    Stop in on the Property frequently while you are under Contract.

    A well written Contract should give you rights to visit the property with 24 hours notice. Schedule a visit and review the Work Order Logs in person and verify the Seller is doing their job.

    Keep them honest and hold them to the terms of your Contract.

    ======================

    As you can see, a well written Contract is structured to decrease your risks if you're unfortunate enough to deal with an unscrupulous Seller. There are hundreds of other ways Sellers can try to sweep problems under the rug. These are the big three we have seen repeatedly.

    And now you know exactly how to “Catch Them in the Act” and quickly turn the tables in your favor.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Thanks for sharing Bill. Glad to have you here on Bigger Pockets.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Hi Curtis,

    It will really depend on where the property is located (urban core, suburban, rural).

    A local, regional, and national bank all have various programs. I have found many national banks even though they have bank locations in suburban to rural areas they do not do commercial loans there only residential.

    For those areas the local to regional banks feel more comfortable lending there as they have deep roots and understand the dynamics of the area. It's kind of like hard money lenders who lend nationally everywhere or just all over the country but in urban core compared to a local lender who knows the micro area very well.

    I have seen interest rates in the mid 4's with a 7 to 10 year term and a 25 year amort. They are allowing a seller to hold a 10 to 15% second on the deal and the bank is going 75% ltv on the first. The banks do not want to hold that note for longer than 7 to 10 years on 5 plus units as they want to relend out at higher rates.

    I have seen some longer term loans but the rate is in the 6's which is 150 to 200 basis points higher. The lenders if they will lock themselves in longer want a much higher interest rate.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    "I overestimated the expenses to 50%."

    There is no over estimation the 50% is a baseline. If you are going to pay any utilities move to 55% to 60% costs. When was this built in the 70's?? You can run into lead based paint EPA remediation guidelines which can be expensive and time consuming. When I work with clients or buy for myself I am looking at the vintage (age) of the building and what I know is typically wrong and the risks with that type of building. Different years you expect to buy at different pricing because of known problems.

    Sellers can make the books look good by sucking out cash for years and doing patch jobs on the repairs or not at all. They can also say 100% occupied and many tenants are not paying or there is no security deposit,or half off first months rent,or first months rent free. The sellers do not put the total truth out there and hope you do not discover things. They hope you only catch 3 out of 10 things they are hiding etc. and will still extract more money out of you on the sale.

    This is why if it's a listed property working with a commercial broker who looks over these things everyday is worth it especially if the seller is paying for it. If not that at least an investor friend to give you another set of eyeballs on the potential deal.

  • Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes
    13y

    Bill Anderson - thanks for that great info. Especially the part about the laundry contracts.

    Joel Owens - all of that info on loans is very helpful to know. I will have to factor that into my calculations when looking for possible deals. Unfortunately, I will not be investing in my local area, and am not locked down to any specific area, so I will have to look for deals and then talk to local lenders. Thanks for pointing out about the utilities. I wasn't calculating any utilities into my numbers but I don't know if this complex passes it through or not. I have not contacted the listing broker yet.

    Thanks for all of the info so far guys. Very helpful info ITT!

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Hi Curtis,

    If you are doing a 10 year term for example you need to project the balance when the note comes due. You need to define the exit strategies NOW. A common mistake is being excited about the purchase and potential returns and momentum that you will have in your investment career but NOT think about or plan for all the things that could go wrong.

    Most older buildings have the landlord covering some of the utilities you will find.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Forgot to mention you can choose to leverage or not.

    If you had 100k to put down and good tax returns and income and reserves and were buying a fully performing property then you might could do this.

    75% ltv

    Purchase price with seller holding a 15% second.

    1,000,000

    Holding a 10% second

    670,000

    No second and 25% down

    400,000

    As you can see with leverage it makes a huge difference how far you can take your cash. Another benefit of owner finance on a second is you can blend the rate down. So if the first is 4.5% maybe you talk the seller on the second to finance at 3.50% to make your cash flow better. This is where it helps to work with someone with experience to help you structure the best deal for yourself.

    Getting the best deal and structure will have you gain positive momentum toward the next deal. Buying into a marginal or bad deal can create a nightmare for you for years to come that you want to get rid of.

    I didn't go into vacant multifamily buildings, or semi-performing as that is a totally different ball game to analyze and deal with. For you fully performing sounds best with your experience level.

  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    As a first time investor this seems like a risky proposition. You seem to have no experience with commercial real estate, you are buying an out of state property and you did not know typical lending terms. Why not look at simple duplex to 4-plex type properties which are lower risk, easier to finance and a better starting point for a beginner?

  • West, MI · Member since 2012 · 674 posts · 182 votes
    13y

    To seriously due this project it would take 200k cash.

    Due you have 200k in the bank?

    If no, stop here.

    If yes, continue on...

  • Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes
    13y

    Joel Owens - I agree that I am looking for fully-performing properties that are currently managed well. I know there can be more value in under-performing properties but I would only be interested in something along those lines if it was simple rehab needed to fill vacancy.

    ANISH TOLIA - Thanks for the note. It probably seems like I am getting ahead of myself. I am not quite ready to close on a deal tomorrow, as I'm still learning, but I've always been sort-of a jump-in-head-first kinda guy. It's more risky but it's got me where I am today.

    Ryan M. - In my calculations I was looking at needing about 160k for the deal and some reserves, not quite 200k. Can you break down that number for me? But yes ... I have the necessary funds. This is why I am trying to skip past the smaller MFH, because I have already built up some decent funds.

  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Curtis N.

    Having funds to invest is great. It puts you ahead of 90% of the folks starting out. But you could just as well deploy your 160K over 5-10 smaller properties that would be easy to finance, easier to exit from and spread your risk (diversify). Just a thought. Unless the $160K represents a very small fraction of your liquid net worth (like 10%), its still risky to put it all in a single asset.

  • Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2012 · 21 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Curtis-
    I'm from northern Virginia. I know the market well (still have a house in fairfax). With those rents, you obviously aren't doing a deal in northern Virginia. My recommendation is to stick close to home. Especially on your first few deals. It is much easier to deal with that way.

    Like everything else, when you are more experienced you can venture further away.

  • Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes
    13y

    Dave Wood - thanks for the note. Yes, this deal was outside of NoVA. I have looked into investing in my immediate area and unfortunately the numbers just don't work out. The only people buying right now are investors who are speculating. The deals have dried up and the properties just aren't cash flowing.

    If you want to chat about any ideas you may have, send me a colleague request and we can message each other and maybe chat on the phone about the area. Thanks.

  • Real Estate Investor in Training · Harrisburg, PA · Member since 2011 · 54 posts · 10 votes
    13y

    Curtis N. good luck with this venture , please keep us posted.

  • Northern, VA · Member since 2013 · 141 posts · 29 votes
    13y

    Tinotenda Arigurinu - thanks for the note. This property in particular didn't end up panning out. It ended up it would've been a good investment. The broker let me know shortly after me posting this that the accepted an offer.

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