Good Applications for Out of State Landlord

Good Applications for Out of State Landlord

Accountant · Lexington, KY · Member since 2019 · 100 posts · 66 votes

Hello BP! 

I am weighing my options between self-managing my out of state rental and hiring property management. I am busy with my real estate bookkeeping business but the extra cash flow could be worth it if I invest in good systems. Does anyone have any applications recommendations that have helped you manage a property out of state? 

It is a property that I used to house hack so I've been using Tenant Cloud for most things, but I'm curious to hear what other people like to use. 

P.S. I am going to start interviewing property managers in Nashville, if anyone has good recommendations please let me know! 

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Member since 2021 · 166 posts · 113 votes
4y

@Matthew Cervoni I put together a checklist for interviewing property managers that you can copy and reuse. Its available here: https://docs.google.com/docume...

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  • Tracy StreichPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Tulsa- OKC Oklahoma · Member since 2017 · 868 posts · 801 votes
    4y

    @Matthew Cervoni

    Check out the NARPM website and you will find some good PMs in Nashville.   

    If you do it your self I would get on a good software platform   There are several.    The most basic and affordable of the professional products is likely Buildium.   There are others who pay to advertise here as well.   You want one with built in apps and leasing to make it easy

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    4y

    @Matthew Cervoni for Nashville search:

    In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

    It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

    Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator.

    So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

    EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

    This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

    The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

    We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

    We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

    We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

    EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

    P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊

  • Member since 2021 · 166 posts · 113 votes
    4y

    @Matthew Cervoni I put together a checklist for interviewing property managers that you can copy and reuse. Its available here: https://docs.google.com/docume...

  • Real Estate Agent · Dallas-Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2021 · 116 posts · 69 votes
    4y

    @Matthew Cervoni  That's a great idea. Good stuff.

  • Accountant · Lexington, KY · Member since 2019 · 100 posts · 66 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jeff Costa:

    @Matthew Cervoni I put together a checklist for interviewing property managers that you can copy and reuse. Its available here: https://docs.google.com/docume...


     Jeff, 

    Thank you for sharing! I'll definitely use this as I begin this process!

  • Accountant · Lexington, KY · Member since 2019 · 100 posts · 66 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Drew Sygit:

    @Matthew Cervoni for Nashville search:

    In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

    It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

    Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator.

    So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

    EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

    This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

    The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

    We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

    We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

    We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

    EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

    P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊


     Drew, 

    This is incredibly insightful and helpful, thank you! 

    I'll definitely be referring back to your blog and educating myself further as I look at different options. Also, your "P.S." hit home as many people feel that way about bookkeepers but they have never done the due diligence to find a good one.

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