Inspector gave the roof 10 years to live

Inspector gave the roof 10 years to live

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I'm under contract for my first rental investment property for $148,500, contingent upon inspection. It's a single family home that appraised for $159,000. We had the inspection done today, and we were told by the sellers that it has an 8 year old metal roof. The inspector said it was installed wrong and the life expectancy is 10 years. I liked this property because much of the CapEx was done, but I'm pumping the brakes if the roof isn't going to last longer than 10 years.

The property would cash flow about $300-$400/mo net with initial projections as a long-term rental, but I'm not sure what the insurance cost would be now. Assuming the insurance premium doesn't change, the property won't meet my cash flow requirements if I have to pay for a new roof to the tune of $15,000+ dollars. However, homes are appreciating in the area so it could be a 5 year equity play, perhaps, yet I'm expecting home prices to go down in 2024 and some of 2025. I don't think this would make a good STR or MTR.

I want to get three quotes to replace the roof and use them to negotiate down the purchase price (or a buyer credit at closing), however, my realtor said that I likely wouldn't be able to get the full replacement cost from the sellers since there is still 10 years usable life in it.  She suggested I might be able to get $5,000 off the purchase price, but to me that number is low and I was thinking I want at least $10,000.

What do you folks think?

Here is the property:  https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/827-E-Hillsborough-Ave-Fl...

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Greg ScottPro Member
Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
2y

Inspectors are generalists.  First, I'd have a roofing company give you a more expert opinion.

I agree with your Realtor's comment.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    2y

    Inspectors are generalists.  First, I'd have a roofing company give you a more expert opinion.

    I agree with your Realtor's comment.

  • Bonnie LowPro Member
    Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    Your realtor should be willing to present your offer. It's a negotiation and that's what they're being paid to handle. Sounds like it could be legitimate advice IF your Realtor knows anything about construction (i.e. if it's installed incorrectly, what else is wrong? Will it leak? Is the flashing installed correctly? Was a proper tear off done, etc.) but then again, it also sounds like they're just wanting to get the deal closed. It's worth opening the negotiation because now that it's in the official property documentation this is an issue that is going to come up for each and every potential buyer. You intended to close, presumably you're well qualified. They can either work with your offer or roll the dice that someone else will be willing to buy it for the same amount and settle for their terms. It's a buyer's market right now in most places so I'd stand my ground right now if I were you and ask your Realtor to at least present the offer you feel is right. Metal roofs can be expensive and should have a very long life span so consider the cost to replace it with another metal roof eventually (if you want to keep it metal). Right now is when you hold the bargaining chips so make sure you use it to get a deal that makes sense for you.

  • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    2y

    Thanks for the responses, we have a professional roofer going to the property tomorrow to assess the condition and lifespan of the roof. We let the seller's agent know there is a question about its condition but we are investigating it further.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    2y

    So the professional appraiser says it’s worth $159k and you want $5-$10k off that down to $149-$155k? Or are you saying the expert giving you bad news absolutely knows everything about roofs, even though it’s not his specialty is giving you correct news. And the expert giving you good news about what it’s worth is wrong. 

    It’s your deal and if the market is bad enough or the deal is bad enough you’re willing to pass, that’s your call. If the appraiser says it’s worth $159k with the current roof, how much should it be with a new roof? A new roof can easily run $7,500 on a 2200sf home in MN (ask me how I know.) so if this roof has half its life left, and you knew it from the disclosures. Are you going to say you forgot you were told, thought it was installed yesterday, and want a $3750 discount?

    I’ve dealt with this at both extremes. In MN the average roof might only last 10-15 years. So if I was told it was 8 years old I’d be excited about 10 years being left. On the other hand a Vegas inspector will often only say if the roof has more or less than 5 years of life left. Even though my roofs are all over 15 years old and I’ve never spent a penny on them. 

    If you’re looking for a reason to bail that’s fine, but that’s why I take back up offers and would be happy to let you cancel. Good luck either way. 

  • Lender · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 306 posts · 122 votes
    2y

    Hi Mark, I think your realtor's comments about getting a credit are realistic, however I would always ask for more first and then negotiate down when needed. 

  • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    2y

    Plot twist, the metal roof wasn't permitted.  Getting updated insurance quotes now, and my realtor is negotiating the price/closing credit with the sellers.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    2y

    Part of owning real estate is constantly replacing the roof, hvac and waterheater.

    Most roofs ladt 20 years, so.nearly every house you will look at will have 10 years or less left to its lifespan. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    2y

    @Mark Deel

    What is wrong with the roof that it cannot be repaired ? It’s been there 8 years and probably through some hurricanes or bad storms - what’s the issue ??

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  • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    2y

    The insurance companies are balking at the fact it wasn't permitted.  It wasn't done to code, either, which both the inspector and a roofer told me.  Panels can be lifted up by hand, the ridge caps aren't actually ridge caps but someone bent metal pieces to DIY a ridge cap, the roof isn't vented, and no underlayment between the asphalt shingles and metal roof. 

    The sellers came down $2,000 more off the asking price and we're rolling $10,000 into the mortgage for a new roof.  I'll pay $2,500 additional out of pocket to the roofer for a $12,500 metal roof that will be permitted, warrantied, and done to code.  That's net $10,500 for the roof after the math is done.  Not a wonderful deal, but the sellers needed to sell and there's about $17,000 of equity in the home at closing all told.

  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    2y
    Looks like you worked through the issues in a productive way.  I know it may not have been the outcome you desired, but looks like the issue was handled well.  Nicely done.
  • New to Real Estate · TX · Member since 2023 · 27 posts · 29 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Greg Scott:

    Inspectors are generalists.  First, I'd have a roofing company give you a more expert opinion.

    I agree with your Realtor's comment.


     this sounds like a better idea

  • Realtor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2023 · 111 posts · 87 votes
    2y

    Hi Mark, 
    From my experience insurance companies will require 3-5 years of life left on the roof.  It is not about the roof age specifically and it really doesn't matter what the sellers say about that.  It is about what a reputable source that the insurance company will trust claims the years roof has left. 

    While this will come up in an inspection, a roofer is really the best source of truth.  I recently negotiated a brand new roof for my buyer based on the fact that the roof had no permit and it did not have any years left for insurability. The sellers ended up getting a roofer out to verify our claim then they agreed to our repairs (realizing any buyer was going to ask for the same thing).  

    For your negotiation, I would push the seller (or your agent through the seller's agent) to get reputable roofers assessments so they can come to terms with the roof condition, why the repair is needed and what is required to sell their home.  The fact that it was installed wrong is a big issue. Get your insurance company to provide a letter explaining why they can't insure it in its current state. It comes as a shock to many sellers the first time they are in contract, so you have to let them do a little work to come to terms with this before coming back with counters. You might find they will agree to the new roof with not much haggling. 

    Mindy

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