Housing-market bottom raises hopes that US can avoid recession

Housing-market bottom raises hopes that US can avoid recession

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Historically, housing has been a crucial driver of the business cycle, with low-interest rates boosting demand for homes and supporting construction jobs and consumer spending.

Conversely, rising rates tend to dampen the housing market and lead to a slowdown in economic growth. The Federal Reserve is expected to wrap up its tightening campaign soon, which will likely lead to a decline in mortgage rates. This, along with a resilient job market, has helped key housing indicators rebound in the early months of 2023. For instance, new-home sales jumped in March to the highest level in a year, while home construction projects have risen about 6% over the last two months.

Although the US is still expected to enter a recession at some point, the article suggests that a strong housing market could help the country avoid a severe downturn. As long as people remain employed and have a good income, they'll continue to buy and sell homes, especially if mortgage rates don't increase further. Moreover, lower home prices and mortgage rates could bring in more buyers and increase affordability.

So far, the labor market has remained resilient despite a year's worth of rate hikes. However, some economists warn that a wave of construction layoffs could be on the horizon as new projects take longer to have an impact on employment than in the past. A strong housing market could help limit the impact of a potential recession.

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Investor · Youngstown, OH · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
3y

We need to learn how to stop wetting our pants anytime there's a hint of a recession. They may not be fun, but they're an unfortunately necessary part of a healthy market cycle. Recessions like 2008 are not common, but very few seem to be able to separate the terms "recession" from "crash." One of the reasons the economy is in the state it's in is that the feds have spent the past 6 years pumping uppers into it rather than letting it follow its natural course. And the longer we keep trying to push a recession off, the worse it will be when it finally hits. You can't prevent it forever. 

That being said, I'm not seeing any signs of a weakening housing market locally or nationally, especially if the predictions of construction layoffs are true. The inventory shortage is what's hurting the most, and we need more building, not less. 

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  • Investor · Youngstown, OH · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    We need to learn how to stop wetting our pants anytime there's a hint of a recession. They may not be fun, but they're an unfortunately necessary part of a healthy market cycle. Recessions like 2008 are not common, but very few seem to be able to separate the terms "recession" from "crash." One of the reasons the economy is in the state it's in is that the feds have spent the past 6 years pumping uppers into it rather than letting it follow its natural course. And the longer we keep trying to push a recession off, the worse it will be when it finally hits. You can't prevent it forever. 

    That being said, I'm not seeing any signs of a weakening housing market locally or nationally, especially if the predictions of construction layoffs are true. The inventory shortage is what's hurting the most, and we need more building, not less. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    when there's formal recession,usually stock market already hitting 52 week new high, just saying. 

    Sometimes we need to shutdown those TV and twitter.

  • Realtor · Gatlinburg · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 957 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:

    when there's formal recession,usually stock market already hitting 52 week new high, just saying. 

    Sometimes we need to shutdown those TV and twitter.


     Employment is also usually the last to drop. Historically the impact on the economy from rising rates happens 18-24 months after the first rate hike. 3rd and 4th quarter will be interesting 

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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    @John Carbone

    Exactly

    It takes time for stuff like this to occur. We printed trillions and the fed pumped their balance sheet for $4T to $8T during covid and have only removed $300B from it.

    I also feel real estate investors miss the importance of commercial since many don’t invest in it but it’s a huge driver for banks since banks typically sell off their resi loans.

    Commercial cap rates are up over 1%.

    That equates to a 25%+ drop in valuation.

    We can talk supply and demand on housing which we are currently building more housing than ever - but remember the other side of supply and demand is money. If you can’t get money, demand for housing goes down = pricing goes down.

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  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Seveney:

    @John Carbone

    Exactly

    It takes time for stuff like this to occur. We printed trillions and the fed pumped their balance sheet for $4T to $8T during covid and have only removed $300B from it.

    I also feel real estate investors miss the importance of commercial since many don’t invest in it but it’s a huge driver for banks since banks typically sell off their resi loans.

    Commercial cap rates are up over 1%.

    That equates to a 25%+ drop in valuation.

    We can talk supply and demand on housing which we are currently building more housing than ever - but remember the other side of supply and demand is money. If you can’t get money, demand for housing goes down = pricing goes down.

     Like that $300M 2019 price office space in California Street, San Francisco ...... that get $60million auction bid.

    I guess in any boom and bust cycle, there's always a sector that's booming and another that's crashing. This time it's the office. But even then the more I read it, it's not as bad as they put in newspaper.

    The other sector, like Industrial, is even performing better than resi sector. 

    However, even the office space is crashing, it's very specific too, it's specific to office for the tenant that's sensitive to interest rate factor such as the one located in bay area and NYC as they're caters primarily to finance/tech sector.

    But office space outside these "space", seems to be okay. Even mall is full these days.

    What recession dude, it seems bull market all over :)

    In third world country, when there's recession, it's equal of military rank parade in the street, we don't have that in 2023.

  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    If a person has a binary economic language of only "Bull" and "Bear" there going to struggle to not only profit, but comprehend why what's happening is happening. 

    I get it, we had a decade+ where that's all a person needed for economic language. One could be a proverbial investment-cave-person "Ugh, bull. Ugh, bear". People need to wrap their heads around fact that age is GONE. 

    For me I like to find the simplest common denominator, and then translate what that means. And in this, that simplest common denominator is the USD is dying. The decision has been made, it's in action sequence as country after country moves away from USD. The USD was used in such scale that it will take years to divest from it but it's past words and well into actions, actions that are picking up more and more steam. 

    I know, as history has well shown, when the currency itself is the item of question, the "safe" answer is ASSETS who have; Durability, Convertibility, and PRODUCTION. This is why Real Estate has stood the test of time, measured in centuries, for such. 

    US media can pump the propaganda all it wants but reality is U.S. is in a weaker position than it's been in 60+ years, possibly ever. This will be a bumpy ride to what's next.    We can't even decide on the simplest of things internally as a nation, but yet are supposed to believe we can "crush" nations who have spent generations with a singular focus of conquest. Lol. 

    The U.S. economy is, by fact, a paper-tiger. 

  • Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    - The largest inverted yield curve in over 40 years, 

    - 3 of the largest bank failures in history 

    - M2 money supply contraction largest in history,

    - immigration levels lowest in 30 years

    - PMI index below 2008 levels

    Anyone who can't see the recession coming has their blinders on.  Writing is on the wall.  

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