Boston / Cambridge investing strategies

Boston / Cambridge investing strategies

Investor · Cambridge, MA · Member since 2014 · 92 posts · 87 votes

I'm really glad to see local sub-forums and wanted to kick off the discussion here. Hopefully some keyword alerts for Boston, MA and Cambridge, MA draw folks in.

I'm a new investor based in Cambridge. My wife and I want to build a portfolio of buy-and-hold rental properties.

We've spent about a year looking for a viable strategy in our own backyard and are almost convinced that we'll have to "trade up" to investing locally in 5-10 years after an out-of-state portfolio has been seasoned a bit. We just can't find single-family homes that pencil out, and the multi-families are at relatively prohibitive price points. 

If your focus is cash flow, it seems like East Boston and Chelsea have some potential. But as an inexperienced investor, I'm not eager to jump into a "C" neighborhood. Similarly, I see a few folks promoting Dorchester and Roxbury. 

And I've heard Malden and Medford mentioned too for their growth potential. I've looked as far away as the Portsmouth, NH and Salem, MA areas, but still haven't found much that fits our target of 10%+ cash-on-cash.

The local investors that seem to be most active (like @Shaun Reilly and @Justin Silverio) seem to be fix-and-flippers, which seems much more viable than our preferred buy-and-hold approach. When I recently met @Aaron Montague, he echoed my observation that it's tough to find viable buy and hold properties in Boston.

So -- are there local folks with a strategy I'm totally missing? I realize the market dynamic here may dictate that we get more flexible on our strategy, but we're likelier to invest out of state than try flipping, notes, etc. locally.

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Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 11 votes
10y
I closed on a 3 family in a tougher part of Dorchester in August. It was an MLS deal and was competitive, but even with that, I'm cash flowing almost 20% after all expenses are paid including the mortgage taxes etc. Two of the units are section 8 and I get a direct deposit form the government on the 1st of each month (amazing) and the other unit is a regular market tenant. I'm new to Dorchester and in the big picture, I'm a new investor as I only have two rental properties, but I'd say don't be afraid of the B/C neighborhoods. It's all about finding good tenants. Good tenants live in bad neighborhoods too, not all of them are bad, most just got themselves into unfortunate situations, divorces, had kids too young and got in over their head etc. there's slot of money to be made in these areas if you're smart about it and do enough research.
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  • Real Estate Agent · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 32 votes
    10y

    Actually most triple-deckers cash flow in Dorchester, even the ones that are priced over a million. It just depends on what kind of return you're looking for. If you want to do some work and make some improvements and be risky with the tenant pool, you can make 20% cash on cash. I know tons of people who do it and I'm one of them! Looking to get more.

  • Ray HurteauPro Member
    Developer · Boston, MA · Member since 2013 · 128 posts · 66 votes
    10y

    @David Cahill Hi David, can you expand and provide a high level example of how you would get a dorchester property to cash flow the way you describe when you're paying a million dollars for a triplex?  

    Assuming you can get $2,500 per unit and the tenants pay their own utilities (besides water and sewer). Sure, you're cash flowing, but it's going to take a long time to get your initial investment back (15-20+ years) and i can't see how you'd get more than 5% COCR, assuming a 25% downpayment and having all that debt service. Your debt coverage ratio is borderline acceptable for most lenders at that point also.

    If you self manage and spend $0 on maintenance and repairs, you'd still only be looking at 15% COCR.

    Maybe you don't want to give away your secrets, but i'm very curious how you and others are pulling those numbers.

  • Real Estate Agent · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 32 votes
    10y

    Sure! First of all, very few triplexes (triple-deckers) sell for a million or more in Dorchester. The average sale price for a three-unit last year was only $545,561. Most investors I know who are comfortable and prefer Section 8 will opt for 4 bedrooms units, which are fairly common and were renting for $2,000 per unit last year and are going for $2,100 to even $2,200 now. At 25% down and 15% set aside for water, common electric, insurance and repairs, you are able to realize an 18% cash on cash return assuming 25% down, 4.5% loan and purchase price of $600,000. Let me know if you want me to send you the spreadsheet I prepare most months where I compare all Boston triples and you will see Dorchester investments crowd the top.

    36 Milton Ave (pending) produces almost 15% as-is with this formula with only 3 bedrooms per unit.

    David

  • Investor, Developer · Brookline, MA · Member since 2015 · 46 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    For any new investors out there, keep in mind that like with any investment, the rate of return factors in the risk. The reason you can get a paper COCR of over 15% in a C neighborhood is because you have to take on more risk than in an A or B neighborhood.

    In my experience, the high rent you can get from Section 8 or MBHP is never the actual number to base your calculations on: The tenant always has a portion to cover and you should be prepared to hear famous quotes from the book of excuses when it comes to covering their $50-$300 share. These units are management intensive and you should be prepared for more calls than from professionals who rent. You have to deal with annual inspections from the government that will translate in repair costs (aka $ spent). And when you don't renew these leases in hopes of trading up for a better tenant don't just expect the current tenant to rent a U-Haul on the 30th of the last month and leave. They will not be able to find a new place, their lease will end but they get converted to month-to-month and when they finally leave you could be looking at a month of vacancy because the place as they left it cannot be shown to any new dream prospects. Side note: do not rent without taking a security deposit.

    I am just saying, evaluate risk! It's one thing to buy a section 8 triple decker when you have 12 others and a crew to take the calls and cater to the tenants and a different ball game when you have one or two such units along with a job that you can't leave for 2 hours when you get a call about the leak that was in fact caused by a reckless tenant.

  • Ray HurteauPro Member
    Developer · Boston, MA · Member since 2013 · 128 posts · 66 votes
    10y

    @David Cahill okay thanks for clarifying, yes at 545k, you can definitely cash flow and get those rates of returns. I was going based on your statement that 1M could cash flow at 15-20% COCR.

    i think @Sergio V. makes many valid points and I've heard the same thing from many others who invest in subsidized housing areas.

  • Investor, Developer · Brookline, MA · Member since 2015 · 46 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    And to wrap it up before I get off my soap box:

    - I like a lot certain areas of Dorchester, specifically zipcodes 02125 and 02122 to the RIGHT of Dot Ave. Even 02124 on the same side has nice streets

    - If you are new at this and decide to consider section 8, MBHP or other form of subsidies, please choose the tenants as you would if they were not receiving help. In general, I would go for people who have a job but who need help to make ends meet. 

    - make sure they are not in any danger to lose their benefits, you do not want to deal with someone who does not have anything to lose (once they do not receive help anymore). Again, it comes down to screening

    - lastly, like I said in a different thread, walk around the blocks you are considering owning on. If you do not feel like the people you cross paths with would be good tenants then chose another block

    Good luck, keep us posted

    Sergio

  • Real Estate Agent · Lynn, MA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    @David Cahill I'm new to investing, just joined this site and am interested in multi families in Dorchester.  I lived in Dorchester last year and have witnessed the growth in the area first hand!  If you wouldn't mind sharing any info you have, I'd love to take a look.  Glad to be on this site and see an active Boston community here!

  • Melrose, MA · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    New Investor looking to find a buy and hold property in the greater Boston area. Not just here on BP but from other resources i have heard that the Chelsea and Dorchester areas are the next up and coming areas. @David Cahill and anyone else looking in the area:

    I have analyzed a bunch of different listings and still can't seem to find a property that cash flows based off of the projected monthly income. Most properties easily generates enough rent to cover all monthly expenses, but not enough to cover anticipated unknown costs such as: Cap Ex, Repairs, Property Management, and Vacancy. 

    @Neil G. I'm interested to know how you calculate your 20% cash flow for your Dorchester property. Are you including future repairs or Cap Ex repairs in your expense column, or are you just putting aside a portion of that 20% cash flow?

  • Taylor JohnsonPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Cambridge, MA · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 6 votes
    10y
    Keith, you said that you are based in Cambridge, do you know the area well? Have you been here a while and know the market? My family owns and holds 24 units in Cambridge that I manage and lease along with many others. We also buy, Reno, hold and rent other properties in Somerville and Medford too. The buy and hold strategy is ridiculously safe in this market. Universities such as MIT, Harvard, Tufts, etc. and Hospitals such as MGH, Beth Israel etc. make this market incredibly stable for landlords with high end tenant turnover and cash flow becoming routine. These days the trick is having the financial ability to invest in this market which is crazy competitive. Not only that is being able to find the deals which are quickly dealt before they hit the open market like MLS. There are other outlets to find these opportunities if you know where to look. Check out Boston wealth builders. If you ever have any questions about the area myself and everyone else on bigger pockets in Boston is here to help, welcome!
  • Chelsea, MA · Member since 2015 · 49 posts · 16 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Neil G.:

    I closed on a 3 family in a tougher part of Dorchester in August. It was an MLS deal and was competitive, but even with that, I'm cash flowing almost 20% after all expenses are paid including the mortgage taxes etc. Two of the units are section 8 and I get a direct deposit form the government on the 1st of each month (amazing) and the other unit is a regular market tenant. I'm new to Dorchester and in the big picture, I'm a new investor as I only have two rental properties, but I'd say don't be afraid of the B/C neighborhoods. It's all about finding good tenants. Good tenants live in bad neighborhoods too, not all of them are bad, most just got themselves into unfortunate situations, divorces, had kids too young and got in over their head etc. there's slot of money to be made in these areas if you're smart about it and do enough research.

     Totally agree with your view on less desirable neighborhoods. In fact part of my mission is to help uplift a community besides the real estate.

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 91 posts · 45 votes
    10y

    Looks like a great thread on buy-and-hold in Boston, thanks for dropping all the knowledge folks. Reading the forums about Boston, it sounds like it's priced out for a lot of folks and quite over-heated unless you risk going into a Class C neighborhood.

    I'm curious if any/ many folks are looking outside Boston, e.g. Manchester NH, or Providence RI, where the cost of entry is a lot lower?

  • Lender · PA · Member since 2016 · 214 posts · 140 votes
    10y

    @Fan Bi I have been looking in the Providence area where, yes prices are definitely lower and the market has been on the rise, AND it has seen substantial growth in the past 3 years with SFR's raising between 12%-20% and MFR's raising between 15%-25%!! But the neighborhoods are a problem in Providence. A lot of class C neighborhoods, which is fine! But if you're looking to escape that coming to Providence it will be difficult. Another consideration is property taxes. Providence has some harsh taxes right now at upwards of $2200 (educated guestimate) and from the looks of recent studies they are likely to go up.

    But hey! Do some investigating of your own, it's a ton of fun trying to find that right deal especially when you can find a 2-4 unit for under $100k. It's definitely worth a gander!

    Side note: I have no knowledge on New Hampshire haha

  • Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2016 · 77 posts · 65 votes
    10y

    Knowledge of the Providence neighborhoods is very important when buying in this area.  It can be a difference between a few streets within a neighborhood which can make or break a good investment.  Taxes are a big consideration but with the right deal, good cashflow is very possible.  

  • Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2016 · 138 posts · 40 votes
    10y

    Truth @Christian Allen!  Here, check out this Ward map of the city.. wards 1-2 are expensive but great tenants, a lot of Brown Professors live there.  Wards 11 - 13 are street by street difference.  Ward 10 is a war zone but good income potential... wouldn't really want to do owner-occupied there.  

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