Financing questions and suggestions on S. Jersey duplex

Financing questions and suggestions on S. Jersey duplex

Bill MacFarlandBusiness Member
Limerick, PA · Member since 2021 · 28 posts · 3 votes

Im settling on my primary PA home shortly and Im a licensed agent in PA and NJ. I am considering a duplex in S. Jersey that has value-add opportunity investment, however Im not approved for a conventional financing due to DTI issues. My credit score it good (over 700) and I can afford the purchase. I will have a decent amount of cash from my sale for down money, closing and payments and reno. I may live in 1 half and rent the other. Or rent both sides at some point and just use in the off season. Depends on some factors. My questions are as follows:

1) What options are available to purchase and what are some suggestions? It could be considered my primary home as a purchase for a better rate, however I will view it as an investment and 2nd home at some point. Partner? Private investor? Hard money loan? Its an estate sale so seller holding the mortgage likely isn't an option. Don't use any of my money to purchase only towards reno? Options? Suggestions?

2) I will do the reno myself at my out of pocket expense. So down the road 6-12 mos. or maybe a 1-2 years? if I refi to cash out my partner or obtain new financing/lower rate, better terms, BRRRR. What do I need to keep in mind as far as rental and qualifications down the road what type of financing may I qualify at that point or should consider in my planing? I assume I likely wouldn't be approved for conventional financing at that point either or maybe Im wrong?? Would I need to exceed a certain amount in cash flow from rent to exceed my expenses? I don't want to be stuck in a bad situation at that point. What should be my goal? Any suggestions on a path to take for financing at that point?

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Robin SimonBusiness Member
Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
4y
Quote from @Bill MacFarland:

I appreciate the reply. So to understand correctly your suggesting et a hard money loan to cover the purchase and rehab costs with no-out of-pocket? How much higher typically is the rate on a DSCR loan than a typical conventional fixed? The rents would need to cover the loan & expenses I would imagine to be approved for a refi on a DSCR?


 It depends on some factors, but generally its not as much more than you think - something in the neighborhood of 50-100 basis points higher

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  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    We've seen a lot of people in similar situations having success with a double-financed BRRRR - get a hard money loan for the rehab and then refinance after the reno is complete (target 3-6 months) into 30-year fixed rate financing under a DSCR loan. Don't have to worry about DTI issues or a financing headache (easy qual, even easier if you use the same lender for the rehab loan and the refi loan) and if everything goes right, you can cash out 100% of your basis pretty quick and have a cash-flowing duplex for "free"

  • Bill MacFarlandBusiness Member
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    Limerick, PA · Member since 2021 · 28 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    I appreciate the reply. So to understand correctly your suggesting et a hard money loan to cover the purchase and rehab costs with no-out of-pocket? How much higher typically is the rate on a DSCR loan than a typical conventional fixed? The rents would need to cover the loan & expenses I would imagine to be approved for a refi on a DSCR?

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bill MacFarland:

    I appreciate the reply. So to understand correctly your suggesting et a hard money loan to cover the purchase and rehab costs with no-out of-pocket? How much higher typically is the rate on a DSCR loan than a typical conventional fixed? The rents would need to cover the loan & expenses I would imagine to be approved for a refi on a DSCR?


     It depends on some factors, but generally its not as much more than you think - something in the neighborhood of 50-100 basis points higher

  • Lender · Member since 2020 · 331 posts · 209 votes
    4y

    DSCR will have limitations on owner occupancy because they rely on cash flow from the property to repay the loan. Most require you to sign occupancy documents at closing.

    Being self employed, have you looked at bank statement loans?

  • Bill MacFarlandBusiness Member
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    Limerick, PA · Member since 2021 · 28 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    I may have, but not sure I was presented all options. I think the other issue besides DTI, my income 2 years ago was was down pulling my 2 year average down.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y

    @Bill MacFarland

    A DSCR loan for long term would work well. You've gotten other suggestions and the limitations from others but I'll reiterate:

    The DSCR is not for renovation and it's not for owner occupied or even second home.

    Getting a hard money loan for the purchase and renovation would be smart. 80% of the acquisition and then cover the budgeted rehab for 100% of the construction costs. You should be able to get this for up to 75% of the ARV. Once you've owned it for 3 months and the property is stabilized (construction complete and leased) you should be able to get a DSCR loan for up to 75% of the new appraised value. Lord knows what the rates will be then but if they stay around where they are now, you should be able to get something in the mid 7's with a couple of points.

    All the best

    Stephanie

  • Bill MacFarlandBusiness Member
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    Limerick, PA · Member since 2021 · 28 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    That is great information and very clear for me to understand. It appears I need to approach this particular deal as a rental, which is fine. Thanks so much for your response!

  • Lender · Member since 2020 · 331 posts · 209 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bill MacFarland:

    I may have, but not sure I was presented all options. I think the other issue besides DTI, my income 2 years ago was was down pulling my 2 year average down.


    There are bank statement programs specifically for self employed individuals that calculate your income based on cash flow from bank statements versus 1099s/tax returns/etc. Your DTI will look different with this method. It's worth looking into if you intend to owner occupy. These programs can typically be used for primary, second homes and investment homes.

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