Has Anyone Heard of Tim Bratz?

Has Anyone Heard of Tim Bratz?

Sandy, TX · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 0 votes

Has anyone ever heard of a rehabber by the name of Tim Bratz? A buddy told me about him and I'm curious to know if anyone has worked with him or knows anyone that may have worked with him.

0Reply
634 views

Most Popular Reply

Developer · Charleston, SC · Member since 2015 · 100 posts · 91 votes
7y

Probably time I offer some insight here...

Quick background...  From Cleveland OH, lived in NYC & Charleston SC.  Worked in real estate from 2005-2008, and started investing in 2009.  I've done everything in residential real estate (wholesale, rehab, normal rentals, short-term vacation rentals, turnkey, property management, private lending).  I bought my first apartment building in 2012, and built a portfolio of approx 150 units over the next 3 years with a partner.  That partnership dissolved & we liquidated all properties in 2015/2016, and I started rebuilding my current portfolio in August 2015.  I focus almost exclusively on apartment buildings (95% of my portfolio).  I currently own 3,207 units, across about 40 buildings, in 6 states.  My portfolio is valued just over $250M, and I owe ~$120M of debt & ~$30M of investor equity on the portfolio.

A lot of claims being made here.  Some accurate, some extremely inaccurate.  Here are some thoughts...

@Nathan Gesner I am an active real estate investor. I built up a big management operation, didn't like the overhead & babysitting of adult employees, so I asked myself "How can I continue to build a big business without taking on more staff?"  I came to the realization that joint venture partnerships are an awesome strategy.  I have the balance sheet to acquire financing, and I have access to a lot of capital.. so I partner with great operators on the residential side, where they bring the deal, handle project management, & act as boots-on-the-ground, while I bring the money & can offer mentorship/guidance.  They get into deals that they couldn't have gotten into previously (without using their own money or their own credit), and I get into deals that I wouldn't have gotten into previously either.  Everyone wins.  That's what prompted me to put an education platform together.  I can teach people how to safely & intelligently invest in apartment buildings, and if there is room for us to do deals together, awesome.  If not, they now have the process maps, checklists, & tools to do deals on their own.  I've only been in the space for 17 months, held 7 events, and people who have come to my events have picked up thousands of units on their own (Kelly Stumphauzer 160+ units, Dan Mitchen 100+ units, David Marsh 400+ units, Randy Lawrence 300+ units, Jack Petrick 500+ units, Phil Klima 100+ units, Steve Morris 300+ units, Jorge Abreu 250+ units, and on & on).  I understand there are naysayers out there who make preconceived notions based on limited information, but I also know that I'm doing a lot more good & making a massive positive impact than those naysayers could ever know.  I do agree that the sales copy that my partners on the education side put together seems like the typical push/promotion, which doesn't resonate very well with me.. I'll have a conversation with them to take a more authentic angle, which is what I'm all about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBpIIgEIQw&t=1s

@JudeCiccolella I don't know who you are, but you seem really angry.  You call me vindictive & litigious.. I've only ever sued one person & their broker (for intentionally & maliciously defrauding me & my investors during a transaction that took place in 2018).  And yes, I will pursue damages to the fullest extent of the law.  Because of how upset you are, I assume you have some sort of relation to them.  I'm extremely active in Cleveland OH real estate groups, with a very clean reputation (ha, I don't even know how I'd build a bad reputation.. I don't broker or work with other people much, I just buy my own stuff & provide free investing insight on social media..??).  Check out some of the Cleveland FB groups, LI groups, local REIAs, etc, and speak to people who actually know me.

@JamesWise I only recall one encounter with you, about 5 years ago, when you made a cash offer on a building I was selling then came back with financing terms.  You probably have your side of the story, and what really happened is probably a blend of how we both saw it.  Either way, the deal fell apart, we were both younger, and both said some things.  I haven't thought about it since.  Happy to hop on a call to hash things out, if you'd like.

@DanHeimer I don't show that you've ever attended one of my events, but happy to address your claims.  I've had about 1,000 people out to my events in the past 18 months, this is the first negative review I've heard.  99.9% of all reviews have been extremely positive.  If you were actually at my event, you'd know that 1) I buy at wholesale prices, 2) I buy for cash flow, not for speculative appreciation, 3) we 'create' appreciation by making value-add improvements to properties, and never speculate, 4) I stabilize properties & refi out my investors in 12-18 months, allowing more predictability in interest rates & loan terms than speculating 5-7 years out like most syndicators do, 5) if the market shifts, I'm at a low enough cost basis that I have many options on what to do with the property (hold, refi, sell, etc), 6) once investors are cashed out in 12-18 months, I'm the only one with ongoing responsibility & liability (even though it's a non-recourse loan there is still some liability I take on), 7) I project for increased interest rates (which actually just dropped .25% last week, btw), lower LTVs, and lower valuations than what the market is showing right now, keeping us at very safe levels, and 8) I only buy workforce A & B class apartments (not luxury, not C/D class) which is the most insulated asset class in real estate.

I have NEVER publicly pitched a deal, or even pitched a deal in my events.  That is an outright false allegation.  I have gone over case studies of past closed deals to educate attendees on what a deal looks like, how deals are structured, and provide a big picture.. but I have never ever publicly pitched a deal.  And you discredit yourself by saying I raise with a 506B yet I push investors to say they're accredited -- that doesn't make sense, you don't have to be accredited to invest in a 506B.  I'm familiar with the SEC rules & regulations, and have multiple attorneys review everything I say & do, to keep things very black & white on how we discuss fundraising.  We also record all events, as proof that we don't venture into any gray area.

@KimLisaTaylor -- I am asked to attend REMentor's sponsorship event every year as a sponsor for their students' deals.  Jeannie can attest to my character.  Rod Khleif is good friend of mine, and I'm an active member of his Multi-Family Boardroom mastermind.  Ask him about me.  I know Jake & Gino decently well, too.  Been on their podcast & met up with Gino when I vacationed in St Augustine last year.  All solid organizations.  I don't know anything about Vinney Chopra.

@EricChase & @MarkoZlatic & @MatthewRhead -- I appreciate the kind words & support.


Come out to my event or don't come out to my event, it doesn't affect me.  90% of my income comes from doing deals.  I do ask that you actually get to know me before passing judgment.  Check out any of the value I provide on FB, LI, IG, my own podcast LegacyWealthShow.com, or any of the podcasts I've been on.  You'll see I'm all about paying it forward, being transparent & authentic, and inspiring others to create real wealth through holding rental real estate.

See this reply in the discussion

43 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Chicago · Member since 2018 · 216 posts · 165 votes
    6y
    I want to echo what Kim says about REMentor. I did the 3 day bootcamp which cost $1,500. It was really good but nothing you couldn't have gotten if you've read David Lindahl's excellent books. But the emphasis and analysis and going over what's a good deal and what's not was what made it so important. Now, for me, analyzing a deal is the easy part. You learn three metrics (again, right out of the books) that must be hit for you to do a deal. Makes analyzing buildings very simple. Very useful stuff. I did resist the $40K "partnership" package that follows on as I would rather put that $40K into another building. 


    Originally posted by @Kim Lisa Taylor:

    My most successful Syndication clients over the past 10 years have come from REMentor. Their coaching is not cheap, but I think the thing that separates them from the one-time seminar gurus is that they offer a series of classes designed to deepen their student's knowledge so that they end up with a well-rounded education, versus what you can get (and retain) out of a single 3-day fact-filled seminar. Additionally, they hold an annual networking event with over 1,000 like-minded people. Over the years I have seen a lot of deals and investors come together between people who have met at their events.

    Other high integrity gurus that I know are Vinney Chopra, Jake and Gino, and Rod Khleif. Full disclosure, I do some teaching/speaking for all 3 of them (but I am not part of their organizations). I can't say whether the others out there are good or bad (and there seem to be a lot of them cropping up) as I haven't had any experience with them. 

  • Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    @Matthew T Rhead, did you attend the seminar? What did you think about it?

    Thanks,

    Chase

  • Lender · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2017 · 42 posts · 11 votes
    6y

    It all comes down to hard work and constantly honing your craft, just ask this guy - The FIRST $2BN Realtor.   

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ben-caballero-becomes-the-worlds-first-2-billion-real-estate-agent-300793822.html

    Ben Caballero Becomes the World's First $2-Billion Real Estate Agent

    Top-Ranked Realtor® 2018 Sales Totaled Nearly 5,800 Homes for a Volume of $2.27 Billion


    Feb 12, 2019, 09:00 ET

    DALLAS, Feb. 12, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Ben Caballero, the first Guinness World Record holder for home sales, broke his world record for an individual real estate agent, selling 5,793 homes totaling $2,270,911,643 in a single year. That's according to data from local MLSs of the Houston Association of REALTORS®, North Texas Real Estate Information Systems, San Antonio Board of REALTORS® and the Austin Board of REALTORS®.

    Ben Caballero, the first Guinness World Record holder for home sales, broke his world record for an individual real estate agent, selling 5,793 homes totaling $2,270,911,643 in a single year. Ben Caballero, the first Guinness World Record holder for home sales, broke his world record for an individual real estate agent, selling 5,793 homes totaling $2,270,911,643 in a single year.

    Ranked as the No. 1 real estate agent for nearly a decade by REAL Trends for both total sales and number of transactions, Caballero also listed an additional 668 homes for brokerages owned by home builders for an additional sales volume of $228,992,475. His combined real estate sales for the year totaled $2.499 billion with 6,461 homes sold, all in the state of Texas.

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Just listened to a couple podcasts with Tim and wanted to do some digging on here, found this thread. Having read it in its entirety a couple times all I will say is that all things being equal I would take the guru with 90% income from real estate dealings over the one with 90% income from education dealings any day.

  • Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    Im consider to buy web mentoring from Tom Btatz for $7000 can any tell me if have experience with this program.

    I m investing in multifamily and looking for expansion and start considering partnership with other investors. 

    Thanks.


  • Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    Tim Bratz is a Scam. Please watch my youtube video where I expose him. He doesn't own any property other than his house, which isn't very impressive for someone boasting $350 Mil Portfolio. 

    You can youtube " Tim bratz scam artist "  Thanks

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    6y

    @Andrzej Gajda

    Just curious why people spends thousands and even tens of thousands on a training when you could get a masters degree from an accredited institution that will be 1000x more than you will ever learn from a guru.

    7e investments53 Reviews
  • Colton AshbyPro Member
    Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2018 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

    @Andrzej Gajda

    Just curious why people spends thousands and even tens of thousands on a training when you could get a masters degree from an accredited institution that will be 1000x more than you will ever learn from a guru.

    Chris, any information on accredited institutions that you are referring to? 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    5y

    @Colton Ashby - I got a masters in real estate finance from Georgetown for around $33k.

    7e investments53 Reviews
  • Colton AshbyPro Member
    Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2018 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

    @Colton Ashby - I got a masters in real estate finance from Georgetown for around $33k.

    Thank you! 

  • Member since 2021 · 1 post · 2 votes
    5y

    Tim Bratz is actually doing what he claims. I've met his team. He has substantial relationships with investors and mortgage brokers. His team is seeking out properties for sale full time. His success is so astounding that it appears to be not true. However, it is. I've spoke with his attorney and everything Tim and his team does is legal. They're very conscious about staying above board, transparent and legal. He's just really driven and has achieved a lot of success. Naturally people are going to not believe it. If you were to visit his company, speak with his team, you'd see its all true. As of now he's over 4, 500 apartments.

  • Property Manager · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2010 · 71 posts · 35 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jon Reppy:

    Is there any integrity any more ? Dose anyone know of a true coach for hire?

    I am a big fan of Anthony Chara and success classes. He teaches great mf interesting class and, lik we RE mentor, his subjects work with each other with help and coaching from Anthony personally. I like Lindahl too but yes his group is pricey. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City & Oklahoma City · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Never have I ever.

    What market is Tim in? 

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Chase Guetersloh:

    @Matthew T Rhead, did you attend the seminar? What did you think about it?

    Thanks,

    Chase


     Hi Chase.  No, I didn't attend the event.  I actually invested $100K in a storage unit deal in NJ with him and his team.  This was a few years ago.  I got paid  10% for 3 yrs.  Then I got my $100K back + about $9K.  The projection was that we would get our principal back plus about $30K.  I did receive another few deposits of about $6K dividend.  I ultimately invested $100K and received my principal back plus $48K.

  • Member since 2026 · 1 post · 0 votes
    1mo

    Tim you are nothing but a scam artist, you get people to invest in apartments then steal thier money, you buy these run down apartments that have all these problems, then put absolutely no money into them, hiring contractors and vendors like me and once we complete the work not paying us. Does it make you feel more like a man when you screw a single mother of 2 out of $4000.00??? I will expose you, and if your not going to pay me what I worked my *** of far then I will touch your pockets in other ways, both apartments you own in louisiana have so many code violations, I'll reach out to every tenant you have living in them and get them to file complaints. It would be cheaper for you to just pay me what you owe me.

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.