Investor · Beverly, MA · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 4 votes
For the private lenders here who sell loans or borrow against a line, I am trying to understand what the other side of the file looks like.
When a loan goes to an aggregator, or gets pledged to a warehouse line, what does the buyer or the custodian require on the borrower entity? Operating agreement, articles, certificate of good standing, a resolution showing the signer was authorized? All of it, some of it, none of it?
The part I am most curious about: has a file ever come back to you over the entity or over who signed? Not value, not occupancy, not payment history. The entity itself.
If you hold your loans and none of this applies, that is just as useful to know. Don Konipol made the point in another thread that at 40% LTV he would require almost no backup documentation, and I would like to understand where that line sits in practice.
I build software in private lending, so I am asking to understand how this works rather than to sell anyone anything.
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
1w
All of it. Depends also who selling to - if selling to aggregator many have buyback clauses and early payoff clauses. We have bought loans, sold loans to individuals and had a warehouse line we would sell to aggregators.
Before you can sell to an aggregator you have to be approved so they will do a lot upfront
Also most aggregators will not buy from you unless you are doing min $3-$5M a month
You can attempt to sell it through a broker but they will charge you 1-2% of the sale price
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
1w
All of it. Depends also who selling to - if selling to aggregator many have buyback clauses and early payoff clauses. We have bought loans, sold loans to individuals and had a warehouse line we would sell to aggregators.
Before you can sell to an aggregator you have to be approved so they will do a lot upfront
Also most aggregators will not buy from you unless you are doing min $3-$5M a month
You can attempt to sell it through a broker but they will charge you 1-2% of the sale price
Investor · Beverly, MA · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 4 votes
1w
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
All of it. Depends also who selling to - if selling to aggregator many have buyback clauses and early payoff clauses. We have bought loans, sold loans to individuals and had a warehouse line we would sell to aggregators.
Before you can sell to an aggregator you have to be approved so they will do a lot upfront
Also most aggregators will not buy from you unless you are doing min $3-$5M a month
You can attempt to sell it through a broker but they will charge you 1-2% of the sale price
That's really helpful, thank you. When you say all of it, is that typically something the buyer/custodian verifies on every individual loan, or is most of that handled during the lender approval process and then only certain items are checked at the loan level?
And have you ever had a loan kicked back specifically because the borrower entity documentation was missing/inconsistent, or because the person who signed wasn't properly authorized?
Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
1w
Typically the Entity Docs (Operating Agreement, IRS SS-4, Articles of Organization), Guarantor Info (PFS, Front and Back of ID, many will require financials (taxes, P&L, Balance Sheet), Loan Documents (Note, Mortgage/Deed of Trust, Assignment of Rents and Leases, all Assignments and Alonges, etc), collection notes, Hazard and Flood Insurance Declarations Pages. It's going to vary depending upon whether your selling to a more formal, institutional investor or if you're selling to a private individual. Chris Seveney is totally on point with EPOs (Early Payoffs) or other claw back clauses.
Investor · Beverly, MA · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 4 votes
1w
Quote from @Doug Smith:
Typically the Entity Docs (Operating Agreement, IRS SS-4, Articles of Organization), Guarantor Info (PFS, Front and Back of ID, many will require financials (taxes, P&L, Balance Sheet), Loan Documents (Note, Mortgage/Deed of Trust, Assignment of Rents and Leases, all Assignments and Alonges, etc), collection notes, Hazard and Flood Insurance Declarations Pages. It's going to vary depending upon whether your selling to a more formal, institutional investor or if you're selling to a private individual. Chris Seveney is totally on point with EPOs (Early Payoffs) or other claw back clauses.
Thanks, Chris. One thing I’m curious about from your experience is how often you’re actually pulling or re-verifying the borrower or guarantor information during the life of the loan.
For example, bank statements, PFS, tax returns, entity docs, etc. Are those generally collected once at origination, or do you have to refresh any of that before a sale or warehouse pledge, or at other points in the loan?
Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
1w
Banks and commercial lenders on commercial loans usually require "renewals", meaning financials every year. That's not usually the case on consumer or rental borrowers. We'll watch public records to make sure they are re-upping their entities, make sure real estate taxes are being paid, and we follow up on insurance renewals. Servicers usually do that, but I've found that you have to watch the servicer while they watch the loan. If there are broken covenants such as missed payments, we'll usually require an updated PFS, financials, and an updated credit pull to try to quickly determine if the problem is temporary or permanent. We don't do that if someone misses by a bit, but if it becomes a recurring issue or it get's past 30-days, we're at least pulling an updated credit report. Happy to answer questions, Kate.
Investor · Beverly, MA · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 4 votes
1w
I appreciate your help... truly! This is actually getting at something I’m trying to understand better. I’m not sure who typically owns that tracking. Is the servicer responsible for monitoring the entity status and other public records, with the lender reviewing what they report, or are lenders sometimes doing those checks themselves?
And how are those checks typically handled? Is it mostly manual, or are there alerts or other tools that automate any of that monitoring?
CPA, CFP®, PFS · FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
5d
Kate, I’d separate this into two layers: what the borrower entity needs to be valid and what the downstream buyer or warehouse line needs to see to be comfortable buying the loan.
On the entity side, I’d expect some combination of the formation documents, operating agreement, certificate of good standing, EIN, and a borrowing resolution or other evidence showing the signer actually had authority to bind the entity. If there are multiple members or managers, that authority piece becomes especially important.
The part that can create real problems is when the loan file says one thing but the entity documents say another. For example, the signer is not actually authorized under the operating agreement, ownership changed but the documents were never updated, the entity is not in good standing, or the borrower name on the note doesn’t match the legal entity correctly.
From the tax side, I'd also want the borrower's entity classification to be clear. An LLC can be disregarded, partnership-taxed, or elect corporate treatment depending on the setup. That doesn't necessarily drive whether the loan can be sold, but it absolutely matters once the borrower starts reporting income, expenses, interest, and property activity.
If the borrower entity is a partnership, there’s another layer because that entity generally has its own partnership tax return and K-1 reporting to the owners. So keeping the legal documents and the tax classification aligned from day one saves a lot of cleanup later.
I’d be curious too whether the investor/warehouse buyer is mainly checking entity validity and signing authority, or whether they’re applying a more detailed checklist depending on the channel.
Feel free to DM me, I’d be happy to send over a few entity-structure resources that might be useful.