His $40,000 Loss was my $80,000 Gain

His $40,000 Loss was my $80,000 Gain

Shiloh LundahlPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes

Here is the context: Last week I bought a property in a small city in Arizona called Arizona City. Currently this city is in a buyer's market. More investory and less buyers. Also, a lot of new builds were built over the past few years because of the low cost of lots. But due to lower activity some of the properties in Arizona City (even new builds) don't sell quickly.

Here is the story: A flipper built a nice, 2000 square foot home with several upgrades. It took him a while to get all the permits and build the home. Probably around 16 months. According to my assessment, the property should be worth $320,000 which is where he listed it at first. When he listed it, he got it under contract but then the buyers just cancelled the contract. His hard money lenders were becoming impatient and wanted their money back. So he lowered it to $280,000. Still no offers. He tried to put it for rent for a couple of weeks but nothing. So due to pressures from his hard money lenders he put the property on the wholesale list for $250,000. I offered $230,000 because that is what would work for me and my strategy. I reached out personally to his lenders and they were willing to decrease their payoffs by 10k collectively because they just wanted to get paid out and it would cost more to do a foreclosure and it would take longer. The investor brought in about 8k to the closing and I increased my offer to $233,000 and the wholesalers in the middle were willing to take a discount and we made the deal happen. 

Ultimatly, he lost about $40,000 on the deal. Here are the mistakes that I see that he made that led him to that loss.

1. He didn't have enough in reserves so his lenders were able to pressure him into selling at a bad time.

2. He only had one strategy which was flipping. He tried to switch to keeping it as a rental but he didn't have the credit to get the property refinanced.

3. His network wasn't very big so he chose some lenders with really high interest rates that he didn't have a solid relationship with. 

4. He was a lone wolf and didn't have mentoring or coaching that could have helped him explore other strategies like partnerships or lease options or something else.

5. He didn't reaching out to fellow investor friends. He could have talked with an investor buddy and told him, "hey man I'm taking a beating from my lenders on this property. Can I sell the property to you for what I have into it. There is a lot of upside." And I think investor friends would have bought it from him because it was a good deal. 

So here are some things that I knew that the flipper did not (my competitive advantage). I put up a property on the market for $243,000 in the same city and it went under market right away because of the way I presented the property. I knew that his property still had comps that would support a value of $320,000. And I knew how to buy the property in such a way using a rehab credit strategy to get the property to record at $320,000 so that when I got it tenanted I could refinance it right away and the appraised value would come in at $320,000. So ultimately I would only need to leave about $7,000 into the deal (due to closing costs). I also know how to use the lease option strategy and how to find a tenant buyer who will give me a $4900 option fee to buy the property from me for $339,900 within the next 3 years. And they will pay a higher than market rent for the home so the property will cash flow even with the higher interest rates. Within a week I got a tenant buyer set up and I received a $1000 non-refundable deposit to hold the property for him until October 10th at which time he will pay the rest of the $4900 option fee and the $2000 rent.

The things that I know as an experienced investor is turning what could have been an $80,000 gain for him into a $40,000 loss for him and an $80,000 gain for me. 

Here are some of the morals of this story: first, check out his 5 mistakes on this deal and make sure you don't make those same mistakes. Also, network with other investors. Learn from them. The saying "your net worth is your network" has a lot of truth to it.

Give me your thoughts and opinions below.

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Don KonipolBusiness Member
Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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Well done. I have one question. In refinancing based on $320k purchase, is the recorded price of $320k enough to get financing based on that price, or do you have to sign a statement to the effect that you paid $320k for the property? If the latter I’d seek legal advice as to whether that can be construed as fraud since the “rehab credit” is not “real”

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  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    Well done. I have one question. In refinancing based on $320k purchase, is the recorded price of $320k enough to get financing based on that price, or do you have to sign a statement to the effect that you paid $320k for the property? If the latter I’d seek legal advice as to whether that can be construed as fraud since the “rehab credit” is not “real”

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    • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
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      Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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      at first I thought the same thing, so I checked with a handful of attorneys before I started doing this about five or six years ago and they all said that it was totally fine. The settlement statement shows the increased purchase price and then it shows a rehab credit on both sides of settlement statement for the $80,000. so the affidavit value that is created by the title company shows $320,000.

      It's the same as if somebody wanted to sell their house for cheaper and you said no sell it to me at market value and then just include a credit to bring down the value to the price you are willing to sell it to me. 

      for example, says somebody wanted to sell their house for $200,000 and then when you were going through the house, you saw that the AC was not working correctly. he said that you would pay him $200,000 but you want them to credit you $10,000 in the closing so that you can repair the AC. the affidavit value still shows $200,000 when you go to refinance it, the bank will see the $200,000 recorded purchase price rather than the $190,000 price. 

  • Jay TolugantiPro Member
    Investor · Clearwater, FL · Member since 2025 · 214 posts · 72 votes
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    Also, since the original seller decreased the list price, will you still get the $320,000 as apprisal value?  

  • Divin KanyamaBusiness Member
    Accountant · Seattle, WA · Member since 2025 · 136 posts · 36 votes
    18h

    @Shiloh Lundahl , This is a good reminder that real estate is often less about the property itself and more about the investor's ability to execute.

    The house may have been fine, but when financing gets tight and there isn't enough runway, even a good project can become a forced sale. That's why reserves and multiple exit strategies are so important, especially in smaller markets where things can take longer than expected.

    I also think the networking point is valid. Relationships with lenders, investors, and mentors can create options when a deal doesn't go according to plan. Sometimes the difference between a loss and a workable solution is simply having people to call.

    The biggest takeaway for me is not to rely on a single outcome. Markets change, buyers disappear, financing gets tougher, and timelines slip. The investors who tend to last are the ones who build flexibility into their deals and have a backup plan when Plan A doesn't work.

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