Have you ever mixed up a tax deduction with actual tax savings?

Have you ever mixed up a tax deduction with actual tax savings?

Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 912 votes

A recent thread here asked whether a cost segregation study really moves the needle or whether it's overhyped. The answers were all over the place. Most of the disagreement came down to one thing: people treating a deduction and tax savings as the same thing.

They aren't. A deduction lowers your taxable income. Your tax savings is how much that deduction actually takes off your tax bill. That depends on your tax bracket, and on whether you can even use the deduction this year.

Here's a simple example with round numbers. A cost seg study shows $100,000 of extra depreciation. That doesn't put $100,000 back in your pocket. In the 24% federal bracket, it saves closer to $24,000 in federal tax, plus whatever your state adds. If the loss is passive and you have no passive income or exception to use it against, it may just get suspended and carried forward. Some of the benefit can also come back as depreciation recapture when you sell.

None of that makes cost seg bad. It just means the headline number and the real number are different.

Have you ever been shown a big deduction and later found out the actual savings were much smaller? What happened?

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Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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I always try to explain deductions as coupons. You get a certain % off as opposed to a dollar for dollar reduction in tax liability. Thanks for sharing this. I see this concept mixed up somewhat frequently.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2017 · 113 posts · 31 votes
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    One thing I'd add to the $100k example: even when the math works on paper, there's a timing problem. You pay the study fee this year, and if that loss suspends, the savings show up years later when you sell. A dollar of tax savings five years from now isn't the same as a dollar this April, so when I compare a study quote to the fee I'm comparing today's cash to savings I might not see for years. That makes the usable-this-year number matter even more than the headline number.

  • Diana KhanPro Member
    Attorney · 10451 Mill Run Cir #755 Owings Mills, MD 21117 · Member since 2024 · 634 posts · 222 votes
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    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    A recent thread here asked whether a cost segregation study really moves the needle or whether it's overhyped. The answers were all over the place. Most of the disagreement came down to one thing: people treating a deduction and tax savings as the same thing.

    They aren't. A deduction lowers your taxable income. Your tax savings is how much that deduction actually takes off your tax bill. That depends on your tax bracket, and on whether you can even use the deduction this year.

    Here's a simple example with round numbers. A cost seg study shows $100,000 of extra depreciation. That doesn't put $100,000 back in your pocket. In the 24% federal bracket, it saves closer to $24,000 in federal tax, plus whatever your state adds. If the loss is passive and you have no passive income or exception to use it against, it may just get suspended and carried forward. Some of the benefit can also come back as depreciation recapture when you sell.

    None of that makes cost seg bad. It just means the headline number and the real number are different.

    Have you ever been shown a big deduction and later found out the actual savings were much smaller? What happened?

    @Jason Malabute, I agree with you. A big deduction sounds great, but what really matters is how much someone actually saves and when they can use those savings. I'd rather understand the full financial picture before making a decision based on a tax benefit alone.

    As a real estate attorney and investor based in Maryland, I work with clients on property transactions, contracts, and ownership matters. I've found that it's important to look at the bigger picture when making real estate decisions, including the costs, risks, and long term plans. Tax considerations are definitely part of that conversation, but I leave the specific calculations to the CPA.

    I appreciate you bringing this up, @Jason Malabute. It's a useful reminder for investors to ask questions beyond the headline numbers. This ties into the real estate work I do, and I'd be happy to stay connected!

  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    I always try to explain deductions as coupons. You get a certain % off as opposed to a dollar for dollar reduction in tax liability. Thanks for sharing this. I see this concept mixed up somewhat frequently.

    • Accountant · Long Island, NY · Member since 2021 · 189 posts · 153 votes
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      Quote from @Aaron Zimmerman:

      I always try to explain deductions as coupons. You get a certain % off as opposed to a dollar for dollar reduction in tax liability. Thanks for sharing this. I see this concept mixed up somewhat frequently.

      @Aaron Zimmerman I’m going to steal this, haha. Much easier than explaining marginal rates. I usually just say a deduction is worth your tax rate, and a credit is worth its face value... but the coupon visual sticks better.

    • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
      Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      @Christopher Tile all good! I parroted this from someone else!

  • Virtual Assistant · Remote · Member since 2020 · 121 posts · 49 votes
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    From the bookkeeping seat, the confusion usually starts earlier than the return. People see a big deduction on a projection and mentally spend the whole number. The books should never tell that story. What we track for clients is the usable number, not the gross one. A $100,000 cost seg reclassification at a 24% bracket is roughly $24,000 of federal savings, and only if you can actually use the loss this year. If it gets suspended, that isn't savings yet, it's a carryforward sitting on the balance sheet, and the books should show it that way. The other trap: recapture. Some of what you save now comes back as tax when you sell, and investors almost never model that. Before you commit to a strategy, run the real math: deduction times your actual marginal rate, adjusted for timing, minus recapture risk. If nobody can show you that number, the strategy is a sales deck, not a plan.

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