collecting fee outside of closing

collecting fee outside of closing

AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes

Good News !! I was able to get my extension on the short sale.Now I just have to get my buyer to pay my fee.Any recommedations or experiences from you guys for collecting your profit outside of closing. We were doing a back to back but He's using Quicken loans and they require 3 month seasoning.Didnt have time to put in a trust.Thanks for all your help.

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  • Real Estate Consultant · Member since 2008 · 792 posts · 30 votes
    17y

    The buyer needs to be careful not to violate terms of his mortgage by paying you outside of the closing. His mortgage docs probably will contain a statement affirming that there are no deals or agreements outside of what is disclosed on the settlement statement.

    An outside deal could be considered loan fraud.

  • Banker · Brighton, CO · Member since 2008 · 23 posts · 6 votes
    17y

    Not just "considered loan fraud"....it is loan fraud.

    Keeping any transfer of monies or consideration on a real estate transfer codified by a HUD1 Closing Statement "secret" IS by definition fraud....so if you "pay it" or "received it" it must be noted on the HUD1.

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Thanks guys !!! Actually the closing attorney suggested it.
    Not sure why it is fraud. I'm not on the Hud and no longer the Seller.
    Once we found out that his mortgage bank had seasoning issues, we decided to have my buyer purchase directly from the seller versus doing a back to back.
    The seller is receiving nothing outside of closing. Thanks again

  • Real Estate Consultant · Member since 2008 · 792 posts · 30 votes
    17y

    Rob,

    If the original contract was assignable, the new buyer could simply purchase the contract from Mark. I don't think that would be considered fraud, do you?

    Dave

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Just read this this from "Illegal" Flipping & Lender Seasoning
    by William Bronchick

    If you do get into a last-minute jam in a double-closing situation, there is a solution, which is called a "reverse assignment". You simply assign your contract with the end-buyer back to the owner and step out of the deal. Your "consideration" for doing so, is the profit you would have otherwise made. This consideration can be documented in writing and secured by a lien on the owner's property to be paid to you at closing.

  • Rehabber · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 802 votes
    17y

    Mark you are correct! This is what i use for FHA end buyers or when seasoning is an issue.

    However, this is not without problems. Lender (quicken) might call into question the assignment and/or the sudden lien showing up on the prelim.

    Good Luck

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Thanks guys !!1 Scott I would love to hear how your doing reverse assignment. Any way you could PM me o post on this site.
    Thanks

  • Rehabber · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 802 votes
    17y

    You need the end buyer to sign a promissory note that will be secured by a junior lien after closing. This document should be drawn up by an attorney and will be a fee for your services rendered.

    The one thing that you cannot due is file the lien prior to closing. It will be caught and it will not close.

    In order for this to work, you must have a contract for consideration drawn up by your attorney. You should have some confidence in the end-buyer. The monies paid to you should not be straight from their checking account or savings account because it could show up. Lastly, if escrow is required by the end-buyer, use a different escrow company for each. You only need to have the right to file a lien and not actually file it unless the buyer fails to perform. Filing the lien is expensive and having the right to file is usually enough security.

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Wow !!! Thanks scott. Do you have them pay you in installments or most end of paying right after closing. We were looking at creative ways for the buyer to pay me. One being the tenants sending me the rents.
    Little confused on the seperate escrow. Isnt the promissory note and contract for consideration the same. Thanks,

    I had a blast in Tuscon after the superbowl last year.

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Hey David,
    This short sale has been torture. I'm trying to avoid it becoming a net listing.I notice you have a brokers license. I keep a license as well ,so i can market my properties.
    Problem, is that I no longer have equitable interest. We had seasoning issues.Atty sugested buyer to pay me outside of closing. Locally, I see brokers asking for buyers premiums, short sale fees that cannot be financed and have to be paid seperately.I've seen release of equitable interest fee. Would love to see what others have used. Scott, Do you have any samples of your contracts that i could get an idea to use. Thanks guys for everything.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Member since 2008 · 792 posts · 30 votes
    17y

    Mark,

    Why don't you just list it and collect a RE fee?

    Dave

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Thanks David. I already am collecting a RE fee from the lender. Now I need to collect my fee from the buyer. I was doing a double closing with him until we ran into seasoning issues.Most likely, I will be charging him a short sale fee to collect my profit. I would love to know what others have used.Otherwise , it might be net listing.

  • Real Estate Investor · CT · Member since 2008 · 119 posts · 6 votes
    17y

    Mark lets keep things simple. First off, the short sale acceptance will be for YOU, and therefore you can not have anyone else close in your place. You will need the bank to now approve your new buyer instead .. aka new contract, new HUD statement, ect. NOTE: The bank was probably looking forward to your CASH offer and an FHA buyer with inspections will not be so appealing.

    Ok, so lets say you get the bank to accept the fact you are now backing out of your contract and a new buyer will be purchasing the property. How do you get paid? A realtor commission AND a Short Sale service fee. You charge the seller/bank the short sale fee, not the buyer.

  • AL · Member since 2008 · 33 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Thanks Phil !! Looks like you missed a lot of the background detail. Bank has already approved the new buyer. They had no problems with the buyers conventional funding long as it closes by the date set.
    The bank is paying the Realtor fee. The reason a short sale fee will be charged to the buyer is to collect my profit on the deal.It will be not inluded on the HUD. It could be called anything. Release of equitable interest,Contract for consideration, etc. I was looking for suggestions on How to do the reverse assignment.

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