Starting Out in the SF Bay Area

Starting Out in the SF Bay Area

Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote

Hey everyone, I've decided to get into real estate investing and have started to do a ton of due diligence and research on the topic. I have gained a lot of information here on BP and wanted to thank all the contributors on this forum. I believe I am ready to take the plunge into REI with all I have learned from my studying.

I currently reside in the SF Bay Area, CA (San Jose to be exact) and thus it will be difficult (near impossible) to find REI properties that cash flow well (10%+ cap/25%+ COCR) in my home territory. Moving is currently not an option as I have a full time job here locally that I enjoy and plan on keeping for a while.

Before I start diving into a marketing plan looking for deals I want to pin down a target area. Thus my plan for my first REI property is to look for homes/*plexs somewhere in the Central Valley, about 1-2 hours driving distance (i.e. Tracy, Modesto, Stockton, Sacramento). I took a day trip to Tracy/Stockton/Lodi/Antioch/Pittsburg over the weekend and visited a bunch of homes I found on Zillow and stores/shopping centers in each town to get a feel for those areas and the people. They didn't seem too bad. Even the worse neighborhood in Stockton I didn't feel like my life was in danger (there was kids playing out, but it was the middle of the day and I just drove around the supposedly worse "hood" in Stockton called "Kentfield"). Anyone have any experience of REI in this region of CA? My concern is the economy is really bad in these parts; like 20%+ listed unemployment and high crime indices (source: city-data.com). Do you guys think it would be a good idea to start out with my first property 1-2 hours away? Or is even out of state viable for a first timer? I have decided to allocate a sizable chunk of cash starting out in REI, but want to minimize the cash risk starting out and will definitely be extremely patient in finding that "awesome" deal for my first investment.

Also does anyone have any recommendations for good REI clubs in the SF Bay Area (in particular the South Bay). I went to rei-club.com/creonline to search the directory and started going to the meetings of this club called "SJREI". Those meetings were really good, I started networking with a few folks already there and the speakers were really informative, but I want to see what else is out there before I actually join a club and fork over full dues.

Thanks again.

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Note Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2009 · 849 posts · 544 votes
15y

I think 1-2 hours away is still too far. Every trip you make to do anything is 2-4 hours round trip. I can think of a million other things I'd rather do with my time.

For "expensive" areas like San Jose, I would suggest working the "brown" collar neighborhoods.

Necesitare practicar su espanol.

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  • Note Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2009 · 849 posts · 544 votes
    15y

    I think 1-2 hours away is still too far. Every trip you make to do anything is 2-4 hours round trip. I can think of a million other things I'd rather do with my time.

    For "expensive" areas like San Jose, I would suggest working the "brown" collar neighborhoods.

    Necesitare practicar su espanol.

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2010 · 150 posts · 40 votes
    15y

    I would honestly stay away from Stockton / Tracey. Farming in CA has been hammered, and until exporting from CA and the US is favorable I don't see it getting better.

    Antioch isn't a bad place to get started, and neither are some parts of Sacramento. You can find some pretty good deals in Sacramento, but some are in area's that aren't so nice.

    The distance won't matter too much if you don't plan on managing the property yourself. What's your goal? Are you going to manage yourself?

    I'm just getting started (Solano County guy here) and decided to go out of state (I didn't have much up front capital, so finding a house in the 100k range is all I could really afford with the 25% down and keeping a repair / 6 month mortgage buffer).

    I should be closing in about 3 weeks and am anxious as hell

  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    @Ben Eventually my goal is end up with 20+ cash flow rental properties. I definitely could not manage all those myself but would have to create a team to do so (or get PM's involved). Starting out though I would want to manage my first few properties to learn and gain experience landlording/manging. I think the Sacramento area/Antioch might be the way to go, but like Solid said starting out managing myself staying local is probably ideal.

    @SolidReturns Thanks for the advice. 1-2 hours one way is definitely far so I will try hard to find something workable in my home territory. Even if that means laxing my cap rate/COCR requirements just a bit and brushing up on my multi-language skills!

  • Virtual Assistant · Bend, OR · Member since 2011 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    15y

    Charlie I don't know how much capitol you have available to you, but if you have a reasonable amount, I would look into foreclosure properties in your area. I have taken good hard looks at the SF Bay Area, and there are many properties being sold at a "song". It could be useful to you, or perhaps not...but worth a try.

  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y
    Originally posted by Damon Holland:
    Charlie I don't know how much capitol you have available to you, but if you have a reasonable amount, I would look into foreclosure properties in your area. I have taken good hard looks at the SF Bay Area, and there are many properties being sold at a "song". It could be useful to you, or perhaps not...but worth a try.

    Thanks I will take a look for some foreclosures in the Bay Area as well.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Saratoga, CA · Member since 2009 · 71 posts · 9 votes
    15y

    Hi Charlie,
    Welcome to BP.
    I also live near SJ, Saratoga in fact, and I came to the same conclusions, so I started investing in Sacramento, either buying cheap and flipping or buying and renting out.
    I prefer REOs, less hassle than short sales. You can purchase for 50K in Sac and rent out for $800/mo not fantastic but good enough when you have a few. You make less if you buy condos, but easier to manage. You can also buy at auctions, if you have the time to do your DD.
    I would not recommend Antioch which is getting worse.
    I have not gone to any of the REI clubs in our area but if you find a good one I would be interested in checking it out.
    Stay in touch,
    Rolly

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    15y
  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y
    Originally posted by Rolly Dupree:
    Hi Charlie,
    Welcome to BP.
    I also live near SJ, Saratoga in fact, and I came to the same conclusions, so I started investing in Sacramento, either buying cheap and flipping or buying and renting out.
    I prefer REOs, less hassle than short sales. You can purchase for 50K in Sac and rent out for $800/mo not fantastic but good enough when you have a few. You make less if you buy condos, but easier to manage. You can also buy at auctions, if you have the time to do your DD.
    I would not recommend Antioch which is getting worse.
    I have not gone to any of the REI clubs in our area but if you find a good one I would be interested in checking it out.
    Stay in touch,
    Rolly

    Thanks Rolly for the advice. I'll definitely let you know of any REI clubs that are worth regularly attending in the South Bay.

    Sacramento does seem to be the ideal spot for me starting out. It appears that ARVs are almost as low as Stockton, but the economy is better in Sacramento (state gov jobs?). I am also familiar with the area/trip up there somewhat as I attended school about 15 miles west in Davis. The 2 hour away thing is does worry me (especially for a first time landlord) but I do have friends out there that could help me manage (simply providing a face). I think I'll start looking for deals here locally in the South Bay (not Saratoga though, I don't think property there cash flows well :D ) and in Sac for now (forgoing the Stockton/Tracy/Modesto area).

  • Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2010 · 161 posts · 29 votes
    15y

    Hi Charlie,

    I get deals often, I work foreclosures, probate, lease options, rehabs, etc. I know the area pretty well. Yes, Sacramento has some good deals, If you need to know which areas are best, let me know. Are you looking to buy cash or financing.

  • Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2010 · 161 posts · 29 votes
    15y

    Charlie, Pm me.....

  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    Excellent Jeanine I would definitely check out what you got. Cash and financing is available to me.

    I can't PM you without you being a colleague of mine though.

  • Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2010 · 161 posts · 29 votes
    15y

    Request accepted

  • Wholesaler · san jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 13 posts · 0 votes
    15y

    Hey Charlie,

    I too am starting out in real estate investing here in San Jose. My buddy lives in SAC and actually wants me to go out there and check out some properties sometime soon. Let me know if you wanna get together and find some local deals. Its always fun roaming the streets.

    Matt

  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y
    Originally posted by Matt Castelo:
    Hey Charlie,

    I too am starting out in real estate investing here in San Jose. My buddy lives in SAC and actually wants me to go out there and check out some properties sometime soon. Let me know if you wanna get together and find some local deals. Its always fun roaming the streets.

    Matt

    Excellent Matt, I'm definitely down to network/exchange ideas/etc. with you.

    I'll try to set you up as a colleague so I can PM you my contact info.

  • Real Estate Investor · CA · Member since 2009 · 174 posts · 39 votes
    15y

    Hey Charlie
    You ask so many very important questions and it always seems that one question leads to another.
    Escrows? Title? $$$, Disclosures[CA is tough]? CA Law? Comps?, MLS? Etc.
    You make me think of when I first started in R E.
    Have you considered a local mentor even if it’s just for the first 6 months? Best Wishes

  • Real Estate Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2008 · 106 posts · 7 votes
    15y

    Hello Charlie,
    Sacramento can be a pretty good market. If you find yourself getting more interested here perhaps we'll have the opportunity to share experiences.

    Best of success to you.

  • Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2011 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    Thanks Rick and F Foster. My intentions now are focused on getting started in the Sacramento market. I'm starting my due diligence on it to see if it's feasible giving my location two hours away (driving).

    Once I hone down on my target market I will try and seek out advice/guidance from more experienced members of REI in my target area.

  • Investor · El Dorado Hills, CA · Member since 2010 · 64 posts · 15 votes
    15y

    Hi Charlie,

    I am currently working on flips and rentals in the Sac area. I live in the Bay Area and have established some strong networks with agents, contractors and banks. Also getting some big discounts on REO's direct from the bank right now. I am always looking for people who are interested in partnering up or sharing info. Contact me if you (or anyone else for that matter) would like to talk.

    Take Care and Good Luck,

    Billy

  • Renter · Redwood City, CA · Member since 2010 · 21 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    Charlie, curious as to outcome of your post. Did you a property yet in Sac? What area in Sac? I just got back from Roseville outside of Sacramento and it is very nice. It would be nice to network...thanks, mapo

  • Developer · San Mateo, CA · Member since 2010 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    13y

    Charlie Huynh Did you ever end up buying anything in Sacramento?

  • Wholesaler · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 401 votes
    13y

    As a Bay Area Investor for years I know it is tough to find local properties that can cash flow, especially in the areas I invested in.

    It seems your just looking to buy and hold, so may I suggest you pick your area such as say Sacramento and then start contacting the wholesalers there. Let them do the footwork of finding properties at the right price which will cash flow and buy at a discounted price you can sell at a profit if need be..

    If you want to do something local my last activities in the Bay Area were rehabbing homes I bought for say $800-K or more and making them resale-able at $ 1.2-1.3. My goal was to walk away with a check from escrow of $K or more. I know this can still be done. And you use those profits to buy more rentals. expect the prices are higher but the principle is still the same.

    I can't give you current info because I have been being held prisoner in Salt Lake City for the last several years. Heart Transplant in Utah after UCSF Medical Center tried to kill me twice. Know someone needing a heart transplant send them to Utah.

  • Real Estate Professional · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2010 · 609 posts · 163 votes
    13y

    Sorry for the off topic.

    Brian P glad to hear you say nice things about heart transplants and Utah. My mother had one 20 years ago and did quite well. She was back and forth between the old LDS Hospital and U of U. I can not express enough the compassionate and quality care she received here while going through that. I wish you the best.

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