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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Many, many years ago I hit on the easiest, most beneficial strategy I've ever found. I've been lucky enuff to use this for 40 years or 2 full cycles. What is a cycle?

We always talk about buying or owning real estate on here, but most is just talk or ideas,concepts etc. I've always tried to use my past, actual experiences. I've always tried to make it easy to understand.

Many on BP are, young, hungry and newbies looking for answers and plans to achieve a better and different lifestyle. Here is one of the ways.

Awhile back, the avg rate of appreciation, or inflation (averaged for the last 59 years) was 6.39% annually. That has been reduced somewhat, due to the last couple downer years. Taking the above avg. into account, here is what I've done.

1. Buy a single SFR each year for 20 years.
2. Be aggressive in rent increases during the 20 years.
3. As rent passes the monthly expenses, use excess to pay prin.
4. After approx. 20 yrs, 1st home will be free and clear.
5. Continue day job to pay living expenses for the 20 yrs.
6. In year 21, REFI home #1 for 75% LTV.
7. RETIRE AND QUIT WORKING!!!!
8. Use the refi funds to live on.(tax free proceeds of a loan)
9. Refi home # 2 in yr 22 and continue yr after yr.
10. In yr 41, refi home # 1 and continue as above.
11. NEVER SELL AND NEVER PAY CAP GAIN TAXES!!!

Here are some clarifiers. I know that it requires extra effort to have loans on 20 properties. Loan terms change from time to time and will change again. You may still work this plan by building and using relationship formed with a local commercial bank, or do some with owner financing, until loan requirements change again, as they most assuredly will.

When your cost basis is low in relationship to equity/value of property , use a 1031 exchange to defer the taxes down the line, or pass on to the inheritors.
There is even possible way to avoid having to pay the estate taxes on this program. It doesn't even require any special IRA programs, etc .
If you take any 20 year period over the last 59 years, the above program will work for you in ANY average area of appreciation. Remember the 6.39% was AVERAGE. Some areas were more than the avg and some were below the avg. You should be able to figure the highly appreciable areas.

This is just a single, easy to understand program that will lead to financial well being, imo. Good luck. Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Rich, thanks for spelling out this strategy in a step by step fashion. I think it is very hard for younger investors to think in terms of a 20 year plan. Most want to do it much faster, which of course carries more risk and management. Also I think many believe one new SFR a year is way too pedestrian. But it is clear to see that it works and how it works.

What period did the 6.59% appreciation/inflation figure come from? Isn't the important number the margin of appreciation over inflation? For example if inflation is 3% and your portfolio's appreciation is 5%, then you are looking at a margin of 2% per year which is quite substantial over 20 years when combined with all the other benefits of REI. And as an astute buyer, you can buy under market, juicing the appreciation. And you can force appreciation through property/tenant imprvement, etc.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Thanks for the votes.
Jon- good questions. The inflation rate actually has no influence on the program overall. As long as the rents are increasing, the loan can be paid off in the 20 years fairly easily.
My sample was VERY conservative. Just buying a normal property at a fair price and just 1 a year. Obviously, buying more properties each year makes the return in the 2oth year HUGE,
Finding the great deal doesn't speed up the process either. It does make the bottom line look like a killer when you go to refi and shows a lot more equity, so your refi funds are considerably more. Fun program.
The 6.59% was given from I believe 1959 or so. Someone computer savvy could fing this by googling the real estate inflation rate. I'm not techie based.
Jon- you already know this having read this chapter in my book. Have a great weekend. Rich in Spokane.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


This is just a test. My site is messed up. Rich


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Seems to be working again for the most part. Thanks.


Real Estate Investor · North Carolina


Rich -- you and your posts are single-handedly putting more high-dollar gurus out of business than anything else.

Thanks!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Thanks NC- You're always very kind. Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Great advice Rich. I would have never thought of this on my own.

Thanks!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Thanks crosswind. I sent you a reply on the HML through PM. Rich.


· Western, Massachusetts


+1 vote. Great post - if anyone thinks this is too lofty a goal to set then they need help!

I think where some gurus/coaches/programs fail is in getting you really pumped up and setting yourself goals which are not realistic in terms of your life thus far - setting yourself up to feel like a failure when you don't change into an overnight success.

One property a year should be achievable for anyone, even a complete newbie with no money and bad credit. Besides, it will only get easier after the first one.

Showing that it can clearly be done in a 20 year span with a simple plan should make it obvious that with some more action and less patience the whole thing could be accelerated significantly. YMMV!


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, Indiana


Hi Rich- Great post and I feel that it ties in great with the book you recomended by Eldemen.... I just started so I do not want to discuss too much yet but what about this book did you find so insightful? So far it is pretty straight forward. Make more than you spend.
Save more than you spend...
Beat inflation, don't get beat down by taxes etc... Maybe I should keep reading but I would like to know what you found that gave you that AHHA moment... Thanks..

Dustin in Indy


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Sure Dustin- This book is a complete syllabus on MONEY. IMO, they should make every HS student read it and then make them read it again in college.
You won't like his take on Real estate, and that is the contrarian view I wanted everyone to consider. I take the contrarian view on here quite a bit.
I also like how EASY and fun he makes it. Even non-interested ladies will like his examples and jokes he posts. It is a great A-Z book on all things related to $$$$. Rich
p.s.Thanks for the votes and kind words to all BP members.


Real Estate Coach · Monrovia, California


Nice post Rich.

Owning 1 property a yr for 20 years as long as PITI + maitenance is less rental income.

Getting rich thru rentals is not easy in every area of US (eg Calif) but can be done in many cities.

I love College Towns and good Hospitals.

Keep up the great posting!

Brian :D


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


"I love College Towns and good Hospitals."

Agree with hopitals. Lot's of good, high paying, stable jobs in a field that doesn't see deep cycles.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Brian- don't diss on CA!! That is where I made my first bundle. I retired at 29 from Orange County, CA. In later years, I made a killing in Pismo Beach area.
In the last35 years or so, I could've dulicated almost the same thing. In many parts of CA, it may be getting close to the time to buy again. Thanks for the nice compliment.

Jon- Unless obama screws up the medical field, hospitals will be a potential good thing. I've talked to a lot of medical people that may leave the profession if the changes go through. Rich in FL, heading to Barcelona manana.



just throwing this out. or rather asking.

Why refi them after 20 years when they are free and clear??

Would it not be EASIER to just live off all that cash flow,,,since rents go up,,,IF one had 20 properties that you were paying taxes insurance and maintance,,,would you not have more than enough money left to live on???,,,unless you were related to the Hollyweirds(who spend hundreds of thousands a MONTH for there poor basic living!!)

My point is,why is refinancing necessary??

this is a good idea,,,if you can keep actual physical depreciation from eating up values. In other words need to update them occasionally.

Hey Rich,,,put me in line for your book when it comes out,,,better than all those TV infomercial ad books by far ,,,if I dont miss my guess.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Brian- if you like my post or any other post, acknowledge it by voting for it. You may vote for any post in a thread, not just the first one.

Just Don- same as above comment to Jon. Now, for your suggestion to just live off rents, here are my thoughts.
In the 21st year, only one house is F&C in my scenario. Not enuff to live off. Maybe it is 1K per month. All taxable, so you only see maybe $650 and if obama gets his ways, it may be much less left in your pocket. If you refi the same property, you walk away with 125K tax free, and the new interst payment of 1K is all deductible.

What would you rather have? 125K for the year or $650 for the month more?
Thanks for the nice compliment. I hope to get book online before the end of the year. Rich, very busy in FL.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Rich,

My thought on first reading this post was that you were pulling a chapter directly from your book. And then you added some more about the challenges that might arise with financing 20 properties; one of the things I had on the list for suggestions to your book.

My question: Did you accumulate one property per year for 20 years and then let each one "mature" for you, or did you get 20 or more in a single year (or a small number of years) and then let them "mature"?

Reason I ask comes from this statement:

For me, my biggest mistake was retiring at age 29. I had made millions and became lazy on continuing to invest and feed the mechanism of real estate. I should have been more aggressive in exchanging and acquiring more real estate instead of living on the past. From age 29 to 58, I was basically retired and raised my 6 kids.

That was taken from here:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/12/15/meet-the-investor-interview-with-real-estate-investor-rich-weese/

Not that the advice is bad - I agree with the advice completely; just trying to be clear on what actually transpired in your story. BTW - that "mistake" is one that I mentioned that my mother made in her investing long before I had known about you.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Hi Steve- as you know the items in the book happened over 30 years ago. Times have changed considerably. I probably acquired over 100 homes each year for awhile. This was in the day when if you could "fog a mirror" you could assume an FHA loan.
Imagine , if today, all these REOS or short sales had a FULLY assumable FHA loan. There would be NO real estate crisis. The homes would be gobbled up in a heartbeat, but unfortunately, can't do it today.
Many of my answers here on BP are oriented to today and what the typical investor can do.
I always bought real estate, where ever I lived. CA, CO, ORE, UT etc. I just did it as a past time rather than aggressively. It is like now. It is almost more work for me currently to analyze and buy property, that the benefits it derives.
I enjoy teaching and helping others learn to do it. That is very satisfying to me. The new loans with Will , will keep me in the game, but I won't be the QB.
I hope this answered your question. If not, ask again, more specifically. Rich


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by Rich Weese
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I always bought real estate, where ever I lived. CA, CO, ORE, UT etc. I just did it as a past time rather than aggressively. It is like now. It is almost more work for me currently to analyze and buy property, that the benefits it derives.
...


Rich,

The part I quoted here is the answer to my question. You did not stop completely (that is what my mother did), you just slowed down from the torrid pace you used initially - and now you're back at it with a bit more energy. Again, I agree that the advice you've given is sound; I just was checking whether you actually did "practice what you preach" since I [mis]interpreted your interview statement to be that you did zero investing (other than managing what you already had).

The bit about assumable loans is quite revealing; today, the more creative "Subject To" approach is the closest thing to that.

We've already PM'd about the satisfaction you derive from being helpful here; I'm glad to be able to absorb some of that helpful advice.

Thanks for continuing to share what you know and experienced.


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