Is the 2% rule good enough for you?

Is the 2% rule good enough for you?

Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes

Hello fellow BP friends, I have read many discussions on here about the 2% rule. To my advantage, I have been finding deals that exceed the 2% rule. I am about to close on a house that turns out to roughly be 2.7% turn-key rentable. These are not war zones, I feel very comfortable going into this neighborhood and walking around. It feels weird to me now to say "hey the 2% rule is not good enough" when that seems to be the rule of thumb for pre-qualifying (on paper) a property. What are you guys accepting and finding in your areas??

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Real Estate Investor · Elkhorn, WI · Member since 2008 · 453 posts · 104 votes
15y

I am routinely finding 3% deals. It's great, but I had to make some tough choices to get here. I had to pick up my life and family and move. Looking back, it was a great move. I love the area in which I live and it's close enough to my investing area to make it relatively easy to work on. In todays market, I would not even recommend doing 2% deals. Or at least I would make that my minimum requirement.

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  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y

    Excuse my use of the wrong sub-forum...

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    I have been finding deals that exceed the 2% rule. I am about to close on a house that turns out to roughly be 2.7% turn-key rentable.

    Where? Is this a $100,000 house renting for $2,700 or a $20,000 house renting for $540?

  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    15y

    Jonathan - I'd be more than happy with a 2% deal and ecstatic with a 2.7% one. I'm sure you're going to keep your market close to the hip, though, aren't you. :wink:

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Mitch Kronowit:
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    I have been finding deals that exceed the 2% rule. I am about to close on a house that turns out to roughly be 2.7% turn-key rentable.

    Where? Is this a $100,000 house renting for $2,700 or a $20,000 house renting for $540?

    Mitch, The houses I come across are typically in the 25K-40K range. For example this SFR I am buying is for $29,500 and rent in the area is around $800 a month. It's crazy to think that this house sold for $99,000 in 2006 (Year I know its the past).

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
    Jonathan - I'd be more than happy with a 2% deal and ecstatic with a 2.7% one. I'm sure you're going to keep your market close to the hip, though, aren't you. :wink:

    Haha thanks Josh, I'll just say that I don't venture that far out of my state. Thanks for changing the sub-forum for this post.

  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    15y

    Sure thing. . . . not a problem

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y

    ahhh, Trying to post a pic, thought I figured it out...obviously not

    admin edit: fixed pic

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    For example this SFR I am buying is for $29,500 and rent in the area is around $800 a month.

    Wow. $30k might get me a mobile home in my area. Getting $800/month in rent requires paying around $75k in some of the outlying areas (boondocks).

  • Investor · -, IL · Member since 2010 · 409 posts · 616 votes
    15y

    Right now I can pull right around 2.2% and stay out of the war zones with my $27k rental that is strictly for cashflow. I also play devil's advocate by having a rental at 1% but it is an appreciation play in an upscale town.

  • Investor · McKinney, TX · Member since 2009 · 405 posts · 160 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    [img]http://www.biggerpockets.com/photos/show/169025[/img]

    ahhh, Trying to post a pic, thought I figured it out...obviously not

    Would that house be in the St Ann area?

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    [img]http://www.biggerpockets.com/photos/show/169025[/img]

    ahhh, Trying to post a pic, thought I figured it out...obviously not

    Can someone shed some light on posting pics? did I quote it right above?

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Kevin C.:
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    [img]http://www.biggerpockets.com/photos/show/169025[/img]

    ahhh, Trying to post a pic, thought I figured it out...obviously not

    Would that house be in the St Ann area?

    Ferguson, a litte east of St. Ann. There are some nice parts of St. Ann, I'm always on the look out for deals there

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    15y
  • Real Estate Investor · Elkhorn, WI · Member since 2008 · 453 posts · 104 votes
    15y

    I am routinely finding 3% deals. It's great, but I had to make some tough choices to get here. I had to pick up my life and family and move. Looking back, it was a great move. I love the area in which I live and it's close enough to my investing area to make it relatively easy to work on. In todays market, I would not even recommend doing 2% deals. Or at least I would make that my minimum requirement.

  • Investor · -, IL · Member since 2010 · 409 posts · 616 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Rich Schroeder:
    I am routinely finding 3% deals.......

    Good lord, look out Rich I'm headed north. :D

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2009 · 168 posts · 40 votes
    15y

    woohoo! finally got the picture to work. He is the house I am closing on this week. This is from google street view, so yes, the picture is funny looking by the window.

  • Realtor · Houston, TX · Member since 2011 · 916 posts · 296 votes
    15y

    You're lucky because in my town a $30,000 house will rent for about $550.

  • San Juan Capistrano, CA · Member since 2011 · 114 posts · 34 votes
    15y

    As an Orange County, CA investor these deals sound like they are from another planet.

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jonathan Sher:
    This is from google street view, so yes, the picture is funny looking by the window.

    I was wondering why it looked like that. Good to know you're not dealing with a serious foundation issue. :mrgreen:

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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    15y

    If you hit the 2% rule, it is practically a guarantee that you will have real cash flow. That said, many are happy with 1.5% or better so 2.7% is not only a no-brainer, it is a screamer of a deal if those numbers really are as you say.

    AS Mitch stated, $30k only gets you a 2 car garage or a trailer home over here in CA.

  • Lender · Castro Valley, CA · Member since 2011 · 26 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    2.7% sounds like a great deal

    Is it possible to get that in Las Vegas or Phoenix ?

  • Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 684 votes
    15y

    2.7% sounds great! Are you factoring in the rehab?

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