1031 Options & avoiding the 3Ts Tenants Toilets & Taxes!!

1031 Options & avoiding the 3Ts Tenants Toilets & Taxes!!

Real Estate Broker · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 30 votes

I don't know how many of you are having an issue finding like-kind properties for a 1031, but if you're interested in trying out a DST (Delaware Statutory Trust), I'd be happy to connect you with an SEC-licensed broker to find a good DST.

Clearly, there are guidelines and min. investment amounts, but it is a great way to shed that 1031 boot or to avoid Tenants, Toilets, and Taxes.

Just yell. 

More options are better than fewer & if a bunch of people are interested, maybe a zoom would be fun.

Loretta Gray

Associate Broker, Long and Foster

Licensed in VA, DC, & FL

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Financial Advisor · Los Angeles · Member since 2020 · 54 posts · 19 votes
3y

DST's are a great option if you cannot find a replacement property or at the minimum identify a dst prior to your 45th day as a back up plan.

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  • Manhattan Beach, CA · Member since 2021 · 76 posts · 40 votes
    3y

    What company do they work for?

  • Real Estate Broker · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:

    What company do they work for?


     My friend's broker is Petra 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 720 posts · 439 votes
    3y

    @Loretta Gray, you can also avoid the 3Ts by buying a double or triple net leased property and you get all the benefits from purchasing the property with little or no risk.

  • Manhattan Beach, CA · Member since 2021 · 76 posts · 40 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Lumi Ispas:

    @Loretta Gray, you can also avoid the 3Ts by buying a double or triple net leased property and you get all the benefits from purchasing the property with little or no risk.


     Ehhh not quite. When lease renewal comes, typically the tenant is in favor and the landlord will get screwed over unless the landlord is a multimillion-dollar real estate company. Tenants know if they leave, the landlord is screwed, so they can play with the numbers and make the landlord not have much cash flow. Plus, every year that the lease gets closer to expiration, you lose value in your property.

  • Real Estate Broker · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Lumi Ispas:

    @Loretta Gray, you can also avoid the 3Ts by buying a double or triple net leased property and you get all the benefits from purchasing the property with little or no risk.

    100% but rarely are ones that fit in the DC area if all you have left is the 1031 boot and there aren't any properties that fit your strategy. I think a DST is a great holding location until a more active one pops on the market.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 720 posts · 439 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Lumi Ispas:

    @Loretta Gray, you can also avoid the 3Ts by buying a double or triple net leased property and you get all the benefits from purchasing the property with little or no risk.


     Ehhh not quite. When lease renewal comes, typically the tenant is in favor and the landlord will get screwed over unless the landlord is a multimillion-dollar real estate company. Tenants know if they leave, the landlord is screwed, so they can play with the numbers and make the landlord not have much cash flow. Plus, every year that the lease gets closer to expiration, you lose value in your property.


     I agree, that's why you really need to make your homework on what you are buying, how many years left and know how long you'll hold! I advise my clients to not hold longer than 5 years and keep moving up!

  • Financial Advisor · Los Angeles · Member since 2020 · 54 posts · 19 votes
    3y

    DST's are a great option if you cannot find a replacement property or at the minimum identify a dst prior to your 45th day as a back up plan.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2022 · 155 posts · 224 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Lumi Ispas:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Lumi Ispas:

    @Loretta Gray, you can also avoid the 3Ts by buying a double or triple net leased property and you get all the benefits from purchasing the property with little or no risk.


     Ehhh not quite. When lease renewal comes, typically the tenant is in favor and the landlord will get screwed over unless the landlord is a multimillion-dollar real estate company. Tenants know if they leave, the landlord is screwed, so they can play with the numbers and make the landlord not have much cash flow. Plus, every year that the lease gets closer to expiration, you lose value in your property.


     I agree, that's why you really need to make your homework on what you are buying, how many years left and know how long you'll hold! I advise my clients to not hold longer than 5 years and keep moving up!


    This is the best strategy for NNN that I know of unless you have a real unicorn of a property, location and tenant. They are not always the best choice unless you will move them way before the lease expires.

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 805 votes
    3y

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.

  • Real Estate Broker · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Kyle Winther:

    DST's are a great option if you cannot find a replacement property or at the minimum identify a dst prior to your 45th day as a back up plan.

    Exactly 
  • Manhattan Beach, CA · Member since 2021 · 76 posts · 40 votes
    3y
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     Not sure where you're getting this info from but 

    #1 you can build additional equity through the appreciation on the property

    #2 You can use non-recourse debt with a DST, therefore leveraging your equity

    #3 There are a lot of tax benefits with DSTs, including depreciation.

    I'd recommend looking more into DSTs...

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     Not sure where you're getting this info from but 

    #1 you can build additional equity through the appreciation on the property

    #2 You can use non-recourse debt with a DST, therefore leveraging your equity

    #3 There are a lot of tax benefits with DSTs, including depreciation.

    I'd recommend looking more into DSTs...


     What John meant is the investor is basically LP while in direct investmnt investor is GP where financing part if controlled by us the investor.

    But regardless, it is good to have DST rather than not to have DST.

  • Financial Advisor · Los Angeles · Member since 2020 · 54 posts · 19 votes
    3y
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     John,

    The biggest and most important factor of a DST is the tax advantage of the tax deferral benefit. You also get to take accelerated depreciation from the dst property. The DST is not for everyone. It comes in handy as a backup plan, for those looking to exit real estate with large cap gains, or those who are just tired of being landlords and looking for passive monthly income.

  • Financial Advisor · Los Angeles · Member since 2020 · 54 posts · 19 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     Not sure where you're getting this info from but 

    #1 you can build additional equity through the appreciation on the property

    #2 You can use non-recourse debt with a DST, therefore leveraging your equity

    #3 There are a lot of tax benefits with DSTs, including depreciation.

    I'd recommend looking more into DSTs...


     Well said my friend. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     Not sure where you're getting this info from but 

    #1 you can build additional equity through the appreciation on the property

    #2 You can use non-recourse debt with a DST, therefore leveraging your equity

    #3 There are a lot of tax benefits with DSTs, including depreciation.

    I'd recommend looking more into DSTs...


    I will give you #4. I will help you sell DST :)

    The projection of return of CRE during high interest rate like today, could be more interesting rather than investing at DSCR SFR with 9% interest rate rate.
    Rather than having SFR with 9% interest rate , 1% appreciation and 1% CoC, I'd rather invest in industrial space DST down south. with 6% cap rate.

    In one of area where house is sitting at 3 mils near here, there's always a meeting the DST broker selling the idea, that's the right target audience I guess.

  • Manhattan Beach, CA · Member since 2021 · 76 posts · 40 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @John M.:

    The problem with a DST is that you are burying your cash and cannot build additional equity, borrow, has limited tax advantages, and the biggest is you can't use leverage to grow your wealth. I.E. your money is stuck, so I guess it depends where you are in your investing career. Great point @Loretta Gray about using the DST for that left over boot money.


     Not sure where you're getting this info from but 

    #1 you can build additional equity through the appreciation on the property

    #2 You can use non-recourse debt with a DST, therefore leveraging your equity

    #3 There are a lot of tax benefits with DSTs, including depreciation.

    I'd recommend looking more into DSTs...


    I will give you #4. I will help you sell DST :)

    The projection of return of CRE during high interest rate like today, could be more interesting rather than investing at DSCR SFR with 9% interest rate rate.
    Rather than having SFR with 9% interest rate , 1% appreciation and 1% CoC, I'd rather invest in industrial space DST down south. with 6% cap rate.

    In one of area where house is sitting at 3 mils near here, there's always a meeting the DST broker selling the idea, that's the right target audience I guess.

    Thanks!

    I also want to add that a lot of the properties in a DST were bought months ago, then placed into the trust. Meaning that the interest rate they locked in was before rates went up, a lot of the current DSTs have 3-5% interest rates. 
  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @John M.:
    I also want to add that a lot of the properties in a DST were bought months ago, then placed into the trust. Meaning that the interest rate they locked in was before rates went up, a lot of the current DSTs have 3-5% interest rates. 

    This should be the main selling point.
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