How Many HELOCs can a couple (or their LLC) have?

How Many HELOCs can a couple (or their LLC) have?

Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 0 votes

Hello everyone,

My partner and I are new to investing and are planning out our strategy. We are looking at the BRRR strategy. We are closing on our first investment (cash) in the next few weeks (waiting on the seller), and intend on getting it fixed and rented, and then refinancing it for 80% of the FMV/ARV. With this amount, if we stay within our repair budget, we'll be able to use that cash to do 2 deals, just like the first. So, we're looking at geometric progression, or a doubling every few months (assuming 2 months for closing, rehab, leasing and getting our HELOCs in place.)

This looks fantastic on paper, but we see a fly in the ointment: are we going to hit a roadblock with banks refusing to offer HELOCs? We are arranging this deal (and future deals) so that we have enough equity after repair, to pull out 80% in a HELOC to do the next two deals.

Based on this plan, what are we missing?  I have the idea that HELOCs are loans secured by assets (the home in question), so that debt/earning ratio isn't a part of that decision.  

Please assist in my education!  Thanks very much!

David & Jaysa

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Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2015 · 891 posts · 701 votes
9y

@David Thompson

Talk to a local commercial banker and ask him about a portfolio blanket mortgage/loc. We have one single line of credit which covers 12 properties. The commercial lender is going to offer you a lower LTV and a slightly higher interest rate, but it basically unlocks unlimited financing.

-Christopher

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  • Investor · PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 602 votes
    9y

    I think it will depend on the lender. Most will want to see reserves for all properties and sufficient DTI. Most have 15 yr repayment period with 0-10 yr draw period and most will not do them on investment properties. Low or no closing costs are another big advantage over other kinds of loans. A primary mortgage would have the advantage of a fixed rate and a longer term. I believe there is a limit of 10 primary mortgages that are backed by Fannie/Freddie before you would have to go commercial.

  • Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Thanks Jassem A.  I am aiming to get these paid off in 5 - 10 years.  I appreciate the insight.  I have heard about the limit of 10 for primary mortgages, but still wonder:

    Do you know if there are there limits on refis or HELOCs? I could do a certain number, and my partner a certain number--plus we have a company (LLC) which could (possibly anyone?) hold some?

    If I bought the property with cash, then improved its value, I wouldn't be doing a primary mortgage would I?  I would like to avoid the closing costs, but if interest rates soar, you will have a point on the fixed rate being an advantage.

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2015 · 891 posts · 701 votes
    9y

    @David Thompson

    Talk to a local commercial banker and ask him about a portfolio blanket mortgage/loc. We have one single line of credit which covers 12 properties. The commercial lender is going to offer you a lower LTV and a slightly higher interest rate, but it basically unlocks unlimited financing.

    -Christopher

  • Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    I appreciate that Christopher! What do you think is the average LTV most commercial lenders us in your experience?

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    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Christopher Brainard:

    @David Thompson

    Talk to a local commercial banker and ask him about a portfolio blanket mortgage/loc. We have one single line of credit which covers 12 properties. The commercial lender is going to offer you a lower LTV and a slightly higher interest rate, but it basically unlocks unlimited financing.

    -Christopher

    I'm guessing you had to refi all your mortgages into a commercial mortgage and then they offered a LOC on all of them? Terms/rates?

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2015 · 891 posts · 701 votes
    9y

    Every lender has their own rates and terms. If you're looking for what I would think is a good rate, I personally choose 75% LTV at 5% fixed for 10 years.

    -Christopher

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