Deal Analysis, First Condo LTR

Deal Analysis, First Condo LTR

Member since 2023 · 17 posts · 4 votes

Looking for some advice if this is worth it or not.  Looking at possibly purchasing a LTR condo in Florida.  Something turnkey in an “A” neighborhood as a passive way of diversifying assets.  Not looking to expand to multiple doors or properties.  Wife and I both have good W2 jobs (with pensions), almost paid off primary residence in NY, and majority of assets are in stocks, annuities, funds etc.  After much searching this is what I found:

685 sq ft condo in Orlando. Condo associations has good financials and "big projects" already done on the building so likely no HOA or assessment surprises for awhile. Unit is in good shape with solid existing tenant paying market rent. Rent will cover HOA, taxes, management fee and mortgage. (1650 rent) (1584 expenses). This is with 40% down (76k) and (115k) 30 year mortgage at 7%. Seller is asking 215, market value is around 205, I would only do the deal at 190. Assuming I could get it under market value, does it makes sense to do the deal? The Down payment isn't a big deal and doesn't effect me otherwise and I don't need monthly cash flow. Logic is that if I can buy under market while things are tight and not many people are making offers, and I can break even on the property monthly, I can build equity, refinance later and rent/appreciation should occur in A neighborhood. Unit itself is small, in good shape and won't require much maintenance. Eventually sell or cash out refinance later and use it as down payment on personal second home 10-15 years from now. Or is this all just a lot of work to achieve similar results as an annuity (81k down payment and closing costs) getting 5.7% guaranteed compounded the next 7 years with no headaches? Figure there can be tax savings on the real estate deal if I can do a 1031 down the line into the vacation property. A lot to unpack. TIA.

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  • Wholesaler · Orlando, FL · Member since 2008 · 111 posts · 251 votes
    3y

    Too skinny, when the market goes down small condos go down the fastest. Also your cash on cash return will be negative. You have to plan for ac and carpet and vacancies. I would use 40k as down payment on a single family home or duplex.

  • Member since 2023 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    I was hoping to get the condo at a discount for that very reason, figured this may be a short dip, but the condo at a discount and then take advantage of the appreciation.  I have looked at some SF and multi family in other states that cash flow better, my issue is I am looking for a passive investment.  I feel like the potential maintenance headaches are far less with a condo.  At this point, I would trade a little return for peace of mind, however I also don’t want to force a bad deal when I can get 5.7% compounded sitting in an annuity.

  • Member since 2023 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    I also just learned something the hard way but I’m glad I learned something from BP books and podcasts.  Was just about to make an offer on a place only to find out the taxes listed at 1258 a year are actually 3100 after speaking to the county.  Totally turns cash flow numbers upside down.  Always verify!

  • Realtor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2023 · 14 posts · 9 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Chris Schmitt:

    Looking for some advice if this is worth it or not.  Looking at possibly purchasing a LTR condo in Florida.  Something turnkey in an “A” neighborhood as a passive way of diversifying assets.  Not looking to expand to multiple doors or properties.  Wife and I both have good W2 jobs (with pensions), almost paid off primary residence in NY, and majority of assets are in stocks, annuities, funds etc.  After much searching this is what I found:

    685 sq ft condo in Orlando. Condo associations has good financials and "big projects" already done on the building so likely no HOA or assessment surprises for awhile. Unit is in good shape with solid existing tenant paying market rent. Rent will cover HOA, taxes, management fee and mortgage. (1650 rent) (1584 expenses). This is with 40% down (76k) and (115k) 30 year mortgage at 7%. Seller is asking 215, market value is around 205, I would only do the deal at 190. Assuming I could get it under market value, does it makes sense to do the deal? The Down payment isn't a big deal and doesn't effect me otherwise and I don't need monthly cash flow. Logic is that if I can buy under market while things are tight and not many people are making offers, and I can break even on the property monthly, I can build equity, refinance later and rent/appreciation should occur in A neighborhood. Unit itself is small, in good shape and won't require much maintenance. Eventually sell or cash out refinance later and use it as down payment on personal second home 10-15 years from now. Or is this all just a lot of work to achieve similar results as an annuity (81k down payment and closing costs) getting 5.7% guaranteed compounded the next 7 years with no headaches? Figure there can be tax savings on the real estate deal if I can do a 1031 down the line into the vacation property. A lot to unpack. TIA.


    It's skinny cashflow, but putting through my deal analyzer I'm seeing 13-ish% after tax considerations, but idk how to breakdown your annuity after tax considerations. Let me know if you want to see how it's broken down. I had to finagle the inputs given the info you gave, so I'm questioning it's accuracy. Usually I put in each piece of the puzzle from the MLS or homeowner info, and then determine cash flow, cap rate, and after-tax results. I can do that with LTRs, STRs, FNFs or PadSplits

  • Lender · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 306 posts · 122 votes
    2y

    Hi Chris, long term you can certainly expect to get a better return in real estate than an annuity, though as you mentioned it is less passive. I think a condo is a great compromise however as the HOA handles everything outside the unit.

    The rate at the moment on an investment condo would be closer to 9% than 7% however--I can get you an exact number if you'd like. I wouldn't get scared off by being a hundred or two in the red each month though, as long term you should make that up with appreciation and principal paydown. I'm of the opinion that Florida will continue to boom for years to come, so I really don't think you can go wrong buying here! 

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