Is Moving from LA to another Market a Good Idea?

Is Moving from LA to another Market a Good Idea?

Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes

Hi Everyone!

I currently live in Los Angeles and I am actively looking to start investing in real estate. My ideal first deal would be a multi-family (anything from a duplex to a quadplex) in which I would live in one of the units and rent the rest. I want to work my way up from there, acquiring more rental properties maybe doing some flips. 

As you are aware, the market in Los Angeles is insane. I am reaching out to the community to get some advice.

Should I physically move to a market that is a little more favorable to investing? I'm originally from Ohio and have been tossing around the idea of going back to the Buckeye State (probably Columbus) to start acquiring properties. I am also interested in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. 

I've heard mixed things about starting off with out of state investments. The thing I like about investing in your own backyard is that you can closely monitor the market, network with local investors, and give back to your community. I'm not sure if you have the same opportunity with out of state investments. Plus with out of state investments, it's hard to check up on your properties and your property managers regularly. 

What are your thoughts on investing locally or out of state? 

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Jo-Ann LapinPro Member
Loan Officer · Tustin, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 713 votes
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Erin. No ones knows your situation more than you do. In my humble opinion I think being an absentee landlord is never a great idea. You always want to be close to that rental. I hope that helps. I do here that Colombus Ohio is just a wonderful community that is growing minus the whether. LOL

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  • Capistrano Beach, CA · Member since 2013 · 283 posts · 169 votes
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    Erin, personally, I think your question is going to start debate that will runs for 50 pages or more but 99% of the debate will have no relevance to really answering your question. Why not try this. Tell us exactly what you're trying to achieve financially, lifestyle wise, business wise, etc, etc, then it's easier for us to tell you based on our experience if investing locally or out of state makes sense. 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker and Investor · Irvine, CA · Member since 2015 · 90 posts · 28 votes
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    Hi @Account Closed,

    I too am from California and had the same mindset as you.  After I had made the decision to start building my portfolio with out of state rentals, I researched heavily and now I'm here in Columbus.  Been here since Tuesday and heading back to California tomorrow morning.  Feel free to message me if you have any questions.  I can tell you there are some good/great deals out here in Columbus.  

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    @CK Hwang

    Thanks for your response and for the guidance!

    First and foremost, I want to start building a real estate business. It is something that I have always been passionate about and I would love to find a way to allow my passion to bring me a profit. I see myself owning many properties. I can't put a number to it yet, but I want to have enough properties that are bringing in a good revenue.

    Financially, I would like to have financial independence that allows me to begin my business. I currently work as a property manager and would love to create a property management company that naturally evolves from my investments. 

    Lifestyle wise I am hoping that my investments one day will allow me to live a little more independently. I love traveling and I would love to have passive income which allows me to travel without having to be tied down to a specific number of vacation hours a year. I would ultimately like to automate the business so that my physical presence isn't necessary all the time.

    Right now, my hang up on living in LA while investing out of state is that I am still paying my ever increasing rent. If I can find a more affordable place to live, I wouldn't be throwing so much money into another person's mortgage and I could potentially be turning a profit for myself. Also, if I start in a more affordable market work my way up to that independence and automation, I can always return to LA if I so wish. 

    I hope that helps. Again, I'm really new at this so I'm just starting to form my plan of action, some of it feels very lofty to me but I think you have to start somewhere, right?

    Thank you again for your response and your help!

  • Sterling WhitePro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 554 posts · 153 votes
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    Hello @Account Closed? 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker and Investor · Irvine, CA · Member since 2015 · 90 posts · 28 votes
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    Hi @Sterling White, feel free to message me and I'd be more than happy to share with you. 

  • Joseph ScoreseBusiness Member
    Banker · Philadelphia · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 639 votes
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    Hi @Erin Schroettinger.

    How are you.

    Let me know if I can assist you referrals of real estate professionals in the Philadelphia Market.

    Regards,

    Joe Scorese

  • Turn Key Supplier · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 111 posts · 21 votes
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    Indianapolis is a great market. If you have any questions feel free to message me.

  • Capistrano Beach, CA · Member since 2013 · 283 posts · 169 votes
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    @Account Closed, given your desire to have a house of your own, start up a property management company and the desire to own rental property, have you thought about perhaps buying a duplex or fourplex in the LA area, living in one unit and renting out the rest? 

    To me, that seems like the best way right now to get started and crosses off the most checks on the to do list. 

    When I first started out, I used to do out of state investments (i still have a out of state rental), but personally, I felt I was so detached form my investment, my education was fairly limited (nothing wrong with that if you want hands off), but if you're wanting to start a property management company, I would be hands on It's not easy starting up a business being hands off. I can see so many ways you can go about doing this in LA. Lots of inventory there to work with. It's a huge city. Not sure where you are located, but I see good fourplexes in Long Beach for sale. 

    Also if you are dead serious about doing the LA market, we should talk more when you have time. I am trying to expand my business into LA, and I think we could work on some opportunities together. 

    Just my thoughts. 

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    Thanks for the input, @Sterling White and @Kevin M. Rooney! How long have you both been investing in Indianapolis? Is there a lot of growth there? 

    Thanks for your input too, @Joseph Scorese! As I further my research on different markets and start reaching out to professionals in the area, I will definitely be in touch.

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    Thank you, @CK Hwang. Your comments are very helpful. I think I am a little intimidated by the LA Market just because of how high the prices are. I know it's possible to raise more capital and to do nonconventional financing, I think if I were to invest here I would need to hustle pretty hard, which I am definitely willing to do. I think I need to calculate the returns that are possible here versus elsewhere. So much research to be done! 

    I agree that it's a little difficult to start a business being hands-off in another state. 

    As I continue doing my research on where to start investing, if I decide on LA, I will definitely reach out to you to see if we can get together and start working on different opportunities.

    Thank you again!

  • Real Estate Broker · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2009 · 870 posts · 664 votes
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    Erin, there are only two cities I can see myself living at and being happy which is la or atlanta. Just like you I wanted to go full time and start a real estate business and move to a new area which provided me with an environment I had the best chances to succeed and build my passive rental portfolio. I had even thought about living in Irvine and investing in the north atlanta market, but I realized this was not realistic option. I have moved to atlanta and am extremely happy with my decision.

    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Thank you, @CK Hwang. Your comments are very helpful. I think I am a little intimidated by the LA Market just because of how high the prices are. I know it's possible to raise more capital and to do nonconventional financing, I think if I were to invest here I would need to hustle pretty hard, which I am definitely willing to do. I think I need to calculate the returns that are possible here versus elsewhere. So much research to be done! 

    I agree that it's a little difficult to start a business being hands-off in another state. 

    As I continue doing my research on where to start investing, if I decide on LA, I will definitely reach out to you to see if we can get together and start working on different opportunities.

    Thank you again!

  • Real Estate Broker · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2009 · 870 posts · 664 votes
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    Erin, there are only two cities I can see myself living at and being happy which is la or atlanta. Just like you I wanted to go full time and start a real estate business and move to a new area which provided me with an environment I had the best chances to succeed and build my passive rental portfolio. I had even thought about living in Irvine and investing in the north atlanta market, but I realized this was not realistic option. I have moved to atlanta and am extremely happy with my decision. Living in atlanta today is like living in la 15-20 years ago.

    Originally posted by @Account Closed. Your comments are very helpful. I think I am a little intimidated by the LA Market just because of how high the prices are. I know it's possible to raise more capital and to do nonconventional financing, I think if I were to invest here I would need to hustle pretty hard, which I am definitely willing to do. I think I need to calculate the returns that are possible here versus elsewhere. So much research to be done! 

    I agree that it's a little difficult to start a business being hands-off in another state. 

    As I continue doing my research on where to start investing, if I decide on LA, I will definitely reach out to you to see if we can get together and start working on different opportunities.

    Thank you again!

  • Investor · West Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 230 posts · 239 votes
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    @carrie giordano lives in Los Angeles and invests in Ohio you may want to connect with her. 

    Good luck

  • Turn Key Supplier · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 111 posts · 21 votes
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    Been investing and helping others for 15 years. Has been very lucrative. 

    Low entry point, stable economy, high cash flow and ROI.

  • Investor · San Ramon, CA · Member since 2013 · 55 posts · 11 votes
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    @Account Closed without reading anyone else's comments first I would like to say that yes you should highly consider this. Especially because you were very specific in which markets you would like to go directly to and invest in. I was in LA County and it's a difficult market but I went to one that I am very familiar with and more comfortable investing and doing business in. I suggest you do what fits you best in order to succeed maximally. I hope this helps.

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    Thank you, @Jayden Hakunti, your advice definitely helps. Thank you for the input!

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
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    @Account Closed I am someone who lives in the West and invests (so far) only out of state.  However for the kind of investing you are talking about - ie: house hacking, to start off with, it is obviously necessary for you to live where you start your investments.  I think you consideration of moving to different city makes a lot of sense.  Think of it as a career move.

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    Thanks, @Larry Fried. The input I've received and my own research has been pointing me in the same direction. Thank you for the advice!

  • Jo-Ann LapinPro Member
    Loan Officer · Tustin, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 713 votes
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    Erin. No ones knows your situation more than you do. In my humble opinion I think being an absentee landlord is never a great idea. You always want to be close to that rental. I hope that helps. I do here that Colombus Ohio is just a wonderful community that is growing minus the whether. LOL

  • Realtor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 693 posts · 357 votes
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    I love LA and it would be my second choice after Atlanta. Obviously your market is expensive, you could buy turnkey properties in Ohio, if you can find a decent agent and property management company from afar. LA is a great city, I don't think I would leave it.

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    I live in LA and have always invested out-of-state, and truly I have never had a problem I couldn't fix over the phone. If one of my PMs goes bad, I fire them and hire another. I can honestly say that there isn't a single thing I could do in person that could have prevented any problems I've had with out-of-state stuff. I always think--if I could check in on my property or see it in person on a regular basis, what could I actually do for it anyway? For me, who knows very little about how to operate a hammer, the answer is--nothing. I'd still have to hire a pro to fix something. I'd have to hire someone to find tenants. I'd have to hire someone to evict someone, etc. So, no difference, and I actually prefer not to be able to drive by my properties all the time. I think that would really stress me out, always worried about finding a scuff mark or something.

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    @Jo-Ann Lapin, thanks for the advice! I am totally with you on the weather thing. I have been compiling information about potential cities to invest in such as economics, population, and weather. For the weather in Columbus I wrote "miserable" haha. 

  • Burbank, CA · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 3 votes
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    @Vincent Crane - I am with you, It's hard to beat LA's culture and weather but I don't necessarily see myself living here forever. The traffic alone is enough to drive you mad. 

    @Ali Boone - Thank you for your post, it is really inspiring to hear about your experiences managing out of state properties. With how connected we all are today, I am sure staying in touch with your team is easier and easier. It's really good to know. 

  • Realtor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 693 posts · 357 votes
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    The traffic in Atlanta is just as bad unfortunately

  • Jo-Ann LapinPro Member
    Loan Officer · Tustin, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 713 votes
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    You are funny. I have a little story that I think you will appreciate. However I am biased as I love CA. Had dear family friends move to Columbus Ohio in 2012. They purchased  new home from the builder that practically gave the home away. Here is what they experienced. They said the cost of living was high as property taxes are higher %'s upkeep of the home from extreme weather and overall higher from all the activities  that had to come up with to get out of the house clothing, entertainment , the right snow cars not mention wear and tear on the vehicles. Gas and electric and the list goes on. They packed up and moved back 2 years later. They barely got out of that home. Other dear friends moved in  to Gilbert Arizona and they lost money on their home they sold 1 month ago. The living expenses there were lower but just not a lot of appreciation in that particular area. CA has most of the time been a great market for appreciation. Have friends in Michigan they have lived there for years. They bought their home when  I did in 02' and their  home is worth about what they paid for it then. Anyway, it really depends on the area. I here Nashville is terrific and a great buy and hold or flip market.

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