Need Help/Advice on an Apartment Complex

Need Help/Advice on an Apartment Complex

Lexington, TN · Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes

I'm feeling very overwhelmed right now and need some guidance.  I've been on BiggerPockets for a little over a year, just reading and listening to as much as possible.  This site is amazing, and I've learned so much, but not enough to feel comfortable working a deal.  I'm trying to put what I've learned into action, which is a little scary on my first possible deal.  I've missed out on so many deals because I would just sit on the sideline and not take action, so now I'm ready to take action and try to do something about it.  I've wanted to do this for a long time, but just didn't have the courage to do so.  After reading some of the success stories, which finally motivated me to finally do something, I decided to run it by my wife.  I asked her what she thought about me buying one rental, preferably a single family, to my surprise she said sure.  I then told her that I'd like to have about 40 in the next 5 years, then she asked me if I'd lost my mind.  Stay with me, I'm about to get to my original question.  I recently found out about 2 apartment complexes that had been for sale, but for some reason the deal fell through.  They haven't been put back on the market but I had a realtor friend to check on it for me and they're still for sale.  This intrigued me because I had just watched some videos and read some blogs about apartments.  I go back to my wife and tell her I found a way to get my 40 units at once.  I just knew when I told her the price that she would throat punch me, but believe it or not, once I told her the numbers and my plan for financing it, she was on board again, last thing she told me was to not bankrupt us.  So now to the numbers; these are two different apartment complexes within about 2 miles on each other, the owner is wanting to sell them together; these are being advertised as 45-turnkey units, 8.07% cap rate, 96% occupancy, List Price $1,750,000.  Found an ad advertising a six month lease at $575 or a 12 month lease for $555.  I figures are based on $550 a month.  I'm trying to get my figures as close as possible because there is still some information that I waiting on.

I'm still not 100% sure what my offer will be, so I'm running these numbers on a price of $1,450,000. My plan is to bring my uncle in for the down payment, plus come of the closing costs, at $309,000. I would pay him back at 10% interest for 5 years @$6565 a month. Then finance the rest on a 30 year fixed @ 5%. We would form a LLC of some type. So the payment to the bank would be $5331.

Rent=$550

Taxes=$15

Insurance=$25

Vacancy=$55

Repairs=$10

Cap ex=$20

Property Management=$55, which I used 10% of rent

Mortgage=$118

Total Expenses=$298

Cash Flow=$252 per unit

If I calculated the ROI right, I came up with 45%, like I said, It may not be right.

Any feedback would be great, I tried to accurate with the number, I know the taxes were right, not sure about the insurance. I calculated it based on $250 per door. Insurance agent is supposed to get back with me tomorrow. Like I said earlier, if the numbers don't work out, I'll move on to the next one. My ROI seems high to me, that's the one that worries me the most, I may have miscalculated. One other thing, I supposed to be getting my questions up for the seller, I have several, but if there's some specifics that I need to ask please just let me know. I appreciate any and all the help I can get. Thank you

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Investor/Accountant/Builder · Meno, OK · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 918 votes
7y

good luck

I would recheck taxes, Insurance, repairs, all seem too low.

No experience in the industry, - maybe you could get a loan. I had14 years buying rentals and flips and still had trouble getting a loan to buy 32 units.

Hard to pay a property manager when paying bank loans.

Not sure if you can get a loan with none of your own money in the game.

Go for it. Or start with one to see if you like the rental business.

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  • Investor/Accountant/Builder · Meno, OK · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 918 votes
    7y

    good luck

    I would recheck taxes, Insurance, repairs, all seem too low.

    No experience in the industry, - maybe you could get a loan. I had14 years buying rentals and flips and still had trouble getting a loan to buy 32 units.

    Hard to pay a property manager when paying bank loans.

    Not sure if you can get a loan with none of your own money in the game.

    Go for it. Or start with one to see if you like the rental business.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Your expenses are too low. Repair & Maintenance and Make Ready should be around $500/unit/year.

    CapEx reserves are $300/unit/year.

    You did not account for payroll, general admin,  contract services, and utilities. 

    30 years fixed at 5% is not realistic. 

    A typical bank loan would by 5-10 years balloon amortized over 20-25 years. Rate would be closer to 5.5-5.75%.

    If won't get Fannie or Freddie loan unless someone on your team has that experience. 

    Oh, and your net worth has to exceed the loan amount while 10% of that loan amount has to be liquid after closing. 

  • Lexington, TN · Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:

    Your expenses are too low. Repair & Maintenance and Make Ready should be around $500/unit/year.

    CapEx reserves are $300/unit/year.

    You did not account for payroll, general admin,  contract services, and utilities. 

    30 years fixed at 5% is not realistic. 

    A typical bank loan would by 5-10 years balloon amortized over 20-25 years. Rate would be closer to 5.5-5.75%.

    If won't get Fannie or Freddie loan unless someone on your team has that experience. 

    Oh, and your net worth has to exceed the loan amount while 10% of that loan amount has to be liquid after closing. 

    Wasn't for sure how much to take out for the expenses and cap ex, the tenants pay the utilities, I forgot to mention that. As far as the payroll and admin costs, I thought that would be covered under the property management fee of $55 that gets taken out each month per unit. So if me and my uncle formed an LLC, and took out the loan, would that be more feasible as far as the bank goes. He would have no problem getting the financing, not sure if me being on there would help or hurt. I appreciate the feedback.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Management fee is usually 3-5% of collected rent and it does not cover payroll or admin costs. 

    Payroll is around $1000/unit/year. 

    Admin cost varies. 

    You need to ask a few local PM companies for their cost estimate. 

    As far as LLC structure, it makes more sense for you and your uncle to form it together as you mentioned. Your uncle would become your equity partner in this case and not a lender.

    Then a lender (bank or Fannie/Freddie) would use your combined net worth and liquidity to qualify both of you for the loan.

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