New Investor blue printing first deal! Need all the help!

New Investor blue printing first deal! Need all the help!

Jonathan AbradoPro Member
Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 28 votes

What's going on BP Family,

**Sorry for the lengthly post!**

I've been following BP for so long, and i'm finally biting the bullet and taking my first steps. I am a realtor in Connecticut, but began my real estate career in the rental market in Brooklyn, NY a little under 2 years ago, and 2020 was pretty much a dud due to the pandemic.

I'm looking for my first investment property, and depending on where it's located, I either plan on househacking, or buy and holding, and just renting it out. The more important thing, is I want to have my financing lined up before I even really start physically looking at properties. 

My associate and I are playing with options and figuring out what the best route would be, but are truly unsure what that may be. They are retired, and I am recently self employed. The issue we are both facing is our debt to income ratio when asking for FHA or conventional loan. So we are looking at possibly hard money or applying for a HELOC on their current property, and if approved, bringing that approval as proof to a bank or mortgage lender, along with current rent role from associate's current multifamily, previous tax returns & proof of funds, and market data for the area where we plan on buying and renting, to see if we can be pre-approved or approved for a refi down the road.

The question I have is, if we still don't either have enough income to pass the DTI test, or enough time/proof of money made in career yet, and again my associate is retired, do we have a chance at being preapproved or approved for the refi based on seeing what liquid money we have, the equity that will go back into the multifamily, and now, not 1 but 2 rent roles, as income? Are their easier ways around this?

Thank you all in advance!

-Jon

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  • Real Estate Investor · Unadilla NY · Member since 2017 · 418 posts · 297 votes
    5y

    Its tough to get financing without proof of income. Retired is fine if your associate has a bunch of money in the bank. I believe it was felipe mejia podcast episode 329 ( listen to it ) who was kind of in the same scenario. He didn't have any income to really show to invest and got turned down by a bunch of banks. So he said to the bank Why would you issue me this policy and they told him his income is not good enough / stable / whatever. If you know the problem is the debt to income then ask yourself what are you going to do to fix that?

    Pick up a second part time job and start paying down your debts. Pick up a full time job and start paying down your debts. What are you willing to do to make it? There are a thousand other solutions than just grinding it out. Your a Realtor ever think about door knocking to get listings and wholesale? Wholesale or list 30 properties your problems are solved. Maybe you'll even find a property with seller financing and wont have to deal with a bank for your first property. 

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Abrado welcome to BP and congrats on the beginning of your REI journey!

  • Jonathan AbradoPro Member
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    Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 28 votes
    5y

    @Dan M. Thanks for the feedback. You're right, all options I am looking into. Just trying to see if there is another way without picking up a w-2 job. Seller financing would be the ultimate best case scenario here, unless we find a property all cash that we can reasonably afford. Appreciate the insight man.

  • Jonathan AbradoPro Member
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    Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 28 votes
    5y
  • Auburn, ME · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Abrado

    Welcome to the BP community! I am fairly new at this myself, currently with one property, a duplex that my wife and I are house hacking. I am in a similar boat due to my student loans which have never helped my DTI. I would look at Private Money as a potential avenue for purchasing your first property. I will say asking for money is not mine, nor anyone else I would imagine, but could open up a whole new world of options. If you haven't already, check out the BP book Raising Private Capital by Matt Faircloth. I just finished it about a month ago and my wife and I are making moves to in that direction.

    Good luck and again, welcome!

  • Jonathan AbradoPro Member
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    Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 28 votes
    5y

    @Nathan Hann great tips and glad to hear you found your groove! I'll have to check that book out. Thanks again!

  • Property Manager · CT · Member since 2014 · 687 posts · 329 votes
    5y

    Hi @Jonathan Abrado, Congratulations on your real estate journey!  

    After finding solutions for your financing... the next steps I would recommend as a new investor is to get a handle on analyzing the income, expenses and ROI of these properties in Bridgeport.

    You can use the Bigger Pockets calculators to start. Use Zillow and rentometer.com to get data and analyze a few from your home to see what type if returns there are.

    If these meet your investment criteria then start looking in person.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    - Craig

  • Jonathan AbradoPro Member
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    Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 28 votes
    5y

    @Craig Bellot thanks for the advice my friend! That is exactly what i'm working on now. Appreciate the guidance man, thank you!

  • St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2019 · 31 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    Hey Jonathan,

    There are loan products out there that rely on the deal and not your DTI. You will likely need a decent credit score and be able to show that you have the down payment plus reserves for x amount of months. The only cons to these products are a bit higher interest rates, lately I have seen 4.875-5% which is still not terrible. Time to start calling around to some new lenders!

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