Journey through the next (Lonnie) deal..

Journey through the next (Lonnie) deal..

Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes

Before I did my first deal, I spent time on BP searching for people like me going through their first dealings in this business. I found many who started sharing their adventure but when it started to get good, the thread died. The ones that did finish I found to be extremely helpful. They show how easy this business really is to get out there and get started!

My first post on the subject started out looking for answers and ended being a journal of my personal findings along with tons of valuable information from many great people on Bigger Pockets (Thanks to all of you!). That thread can be found here for those interested in reading along: http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/30/topics/45339-first-lonnie-deal-on-the-right-track-

I have received a huge amount of support from people who are testing the waters with their toe but have yet to jump in for fear of the un-known. One of the most common things I see concerning a 'Lonnie deal' is "I can't get homes that cheap!". Well to that I say non-sense, poopy pants! You CAN. You just have to find sellers who NEED to sell. There is a big difference between a seller who wants to sell, and one who needs to sell.

With that being said, here we go!

This deal I just bought a few days ago started with a simple phone call I received one night about 8pm. It was from a gentleman who got my number from the neighbor of my first deal (you won't believe how fast word of mouth travels in these small communities!).

He said that he heard I buy mobile homes. I explained that I buy mobile homes if the numbers work and it makes sense to buy them. I always ask them to tell me about the home and let them talk. While they're talking you are learning about the home, why they need to sell, and building report all at the same time. It turns out that he needs to sell because he is moving out of state in less than two weeks to live closer to the children and grandchildren. On top of that, his wife has had a job offer that she needs to take advantage off (sounds like they NEED to sell doesn't it?).

After I kept him talking a little bit, asking basic questions about year, size, bed/bath, the AC, roof, ect. I asked him about the condition/repairs needed to the home. Just keep them talking! He told me the floors were in pretty bad shape. When I asked how much he wants for the home he told me $1000. Now that's within my price range so I told him I would be there in the beginning of the week to take a look.

Let me take a step back for a moment and mention something. This is a people business! If someone doesn't like or trust you , you probably won't get the deal, or at least not a very good one. It's very important to build report!

When I got there we talked for about 15 or 20 minutes about everyone's favorite subject.. you guessed it. Themselves! We talked about his business, the horribly hot South Florida weather, and the miserable people down here. Then we talked about how great North Carolina is how how he can't wait to get out of here. While we were talking I casually did my inspection. When I found a problem, I didn't have to say anything because he was right there.

During the inspection, I found water damage (not bad) on the wall around the window AC. Plywood over the holes in the floor (they were big enough your foot would go right through to the grass). The place was going to need to be re-carpeted.

After I was done I explained my concerns about the home. My main concern is that the place needed to be re-floored/re-carpeted and there is a very limited market for a 2/1 without central air, and aluminum wiring which means my holding cost + repair cost + sales price puts me above retail value and leaves me with very little if any profit on the deal and that's why I typically stay away from 2 bedrooms unless they have something to offer like central AC or 2 bathrooms.

Then he asked me if I would take it for $400 if he paid the next months lot rent. Can you believe it? I didn't make an offer or have to 'low ball' him. He did it himself!

Now.. this is where MY lesson was learned (that's right, I'm still learning as I go and have lots to go). I told him I would definitely consider it at that price but I wanted to put some numbers together first. That night I went home, put my numbers together and I was pumped! Then I started to get a bad feeling about not closing the deal. Sure enough, first thing the next morning he called me to tell me he had SOLD IT pending park approval for the full price $1,000 CASH.

Talk about a kick in the ribs and ruining my Saturday!!

Well.. I know this post is long enough to make your eyes bleed so I will end it for now with a 'To be continued...'

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Real Estate Investor · Salem, OR · Member since 2011 · 422 posts · 149 votes
15y

Nothing short of Inspirational.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Near Houston, TX · Member since 2010 · 93 posts · 12 votes
    16y

    Yep! I know I'm following him and learning from his experiences. Thanks for sharing, Terry.

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Marilyn A.:
    So, what is this next one you're starting this weekend?



    This is a home that the park took back the title to. Luckily I was able to convince the PM and her boss why it makes sense for them to give me the homes they take back for free and free lot rent until I sell them. I only mention this so you guys know it is possible and to what extent the park will work with you. The right park will work with you then will believe!!




    You guys are too much and going to make me blush. I'm just glad that you find my post informative and hopefully they give you a kick in the pants to get out there!
  • Involved In Real Estate · Lake City , FL · Member since 2010 · 1 post · 0 votes
    16y

    Really great thread. I am excited for you, and excited to get on that side of the fence as well. Please keep posting.

    Thanks,
    Jason

  • San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    16y

    Great job Terry, thanks for keeping us all updated on your progress!

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2010 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    16y
    Originally posted by Terry Drake:



    This is a home that the park took back the title to. Luckily I was able to convince the PM and her boss why it makes sense for them to give me the homes they take back for free and free lot rent until I sell them. I only mention this so you guys know it is possible and to what extent the park will work with you. The right park will work with you then will believe!!

    I'm really curious to learn how you were able to convince the park to do this. I have been to 4 parks in my area over the last couple days, and all of them have an in house financing & sales team, with multiple "investors/sales companies" working the park.

    I am finding it difficult to find that perfect park.

    -KIrk

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    16y

    After I saw a few of the homes get hauled out in dumpsters I asked the PM how much they were paying to have the homes demo'd. They were paying 2k/home. I mentioned that vacancies not only make the park look worse, but now they are left with an ugly vacant spot that won't ever generate lot rent again. Instead of paying someone 2k to make the park look worse, give me the home, and free lot rent to fix it up. If they did that, I could take the money saved and put it into the MH making it a nicer home attracting a higher quality tenant for them.

    I planted that seed a couple months ago but it took me putting a few more buyers in there before they took me up on it. After the last deal they gave me a list of all their vacants and the keys! I should mention that these aren't new homes. They would tell me to go pound sand if they were. They're older homes that they don't want to fix up or deal with. I'm happy to help!

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2010 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    16y
    Originally posted by Terry Drake:
    After I saw a few of the homes get hauled out in dumpsters I asked the PM how much they were paying to have the homes demo'd. They were paying 2k/home. I mentioned that vacancies not only make the park look worse, but now they are left with an ugly vacant spot that won't ever generate lot rent again. Instead of paying someone 2k to make the park look worse, give me the home, and free lot rent to fix it up. If they did that, I could take the money saved and put it into the MH making it a nicer home attracting a higher quality tenant for them.

    I planted that seed a couple months ago but it took me putting a few more buyers in there before they took me up on it. After the last deal they gave me a list of all their vacants and the keys! I should mention that these aren't new homes. They would tell me to go pound sand if they were. They're older homes that they don't want to fix up or deal with. I'm happy to help!


    WOW. That is awesome! I think I have one park that I am at least making some ground with. I stopped in this afternoon to look at a 2/1. The owner just bought a new home and closed this morning so he is pretty motivated. Lot rent is 525 a month and he does not want to pay come July 1st.

    He has somebody who wants to move the home, and they are coming to look on Monday. So I stopped into the office to let the manager know they potentially have another home leaving their park, unless they could give me some incentives to sweeten the deal enough for me to make an offer and keep the home in the park for them.

    I'm nowhere near getting homes for free, but I'm hoping maybe I can start with a free lot rent and continue to work with them a bit to prove my value.

    Thanks for the inspiration Terry!

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y

    So it seems that there hasn't been much activity from new members or new mobile home investors and I know you're out there! Just in case there is a lack of motivation, or concern whether or not the money is there I'm going to put up the numbers of my last 3 deals. Hopefully it encourages some of you to jump in and grab the bull by the horns. This business is so basic and the yields are fantastic!

    I'm happy to answer any questions about any of the deals but for now and the sake of keeping this post short, I won't go in to much detail.

    Most recent deal:


    1996 2/2 single wide

    Owner was about $1,000 behind in lot rent, and wanted 3k for his home. Moving to Tennessee. I asked him if he would take $1500 if I took care of the back rent and he agreed.

    Talked to park manager and convinced him in to forgiving the back rent if I bought the home.

    Total purchase price on Nov. 16th. $1,500

    Sold two weeks later for $8,500. $1000 down/ $300/month @ 12.75% interest for 29 months.

    12 months X $300 = $3,600 + dwn payment of $1000 = $4,600

    Cash on cash return (purchase price of $1500 divided by $4600 = 326%!!

  • San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    Congrats, Terry! It's interesting because there's always a lesson learned with each deal. I just closed on another one and it definitely was a roller coaster ride!! Thanks for continuing to share your experiences! :)

  • Real Estate Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2010 · 499 posts · 206 votes
    15y

    Cool! I'm so jealous that you got a '96 for $1500! You're very inspiring! And since you got your thousand back you only have $500 invested in this one with many months of cash flow coming.
    It's also impressive how you worked the deal on the back lot rent. Very creative.

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y

    Previous deal:

    1970 Double wide 2/2

    This home was left trashed, vacant and was given to me by the park with free lot rent until sold.

    Living room Before:

    Living room After:

    Dining room Before:

    Dining room After:

    Kitchen Before:

    Kitchen After:

    Master bath Before:

    Master bath After:

    Guest bath Before:

    Guest bath After:

    As you can see a little paint, carpet, and laminate flooring goes a long way!

    Total invested: $2000

    Sold <30 days for $3000 down, and $350/month for 24 months.

  • Rehabber · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 60 posts · 8 votes
    15y

    Terry, what are you doing about the safe act? How are you working with that, or around that?

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y

    James, to be honest it has been business as usual. I'm sure I'll get scolded by some for not heading the SAFE act but who's to know that I am holding a note anyways? To involve a mortgage broker or lender to write up the deal for a 4k note with fees from a few hundred up to $500 is crazy IMO.

    I think as long as you are doing business ethically and adhering to your state's usury limit (18% here in FL) you should be ok but I'm certainly not an attorney. So you might want to consult one before taking my advice or following my lead.

    With that being said, I would be interested to hear what some of the other 'Lonnie' dealers are doing as well.

  • Real Estate Investor · Kirkland, WA · Member since 2011 · 18 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    Looks like you're well on your way. Curious, how much cash did you start out with?

    I just finished my first Lonnie Deal and came out OK. It was a 2/2 double wide in a 55+ park. Bought it for $4,750 and sunk another $750 into it with carpets, carpet cleaning and some paint, etc. Total invested $5500. (Looking back I could have got it for cheaper). I bought it August 16 and had it under contract August 23 contingent on park approval. Sold August 26 for $6,900, $500 down, $175 month, 48 months. Interest rate is 14%.

    Like you said on your first deal, the amount I learned from this was priceless and I came out with a 28% ROI. Not great, but not bad. I priced it low because the lot rent was $775 per month (really nice 55+ park) and I didn't want to pay it.

    If I were to do it again, I'd buy for less and hire someone to clean and install the carpet. I now know the cost and labor involved so it'll be easy to factor into my offer.

    It'll take me a bit now to gather enough money for my next lonnie deal. I'm considereing borrowing some from my brother inlaw at a low interest rate. Time to be creative!

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Jason Robinett:
    Looks like you're well on your way. Curious, how much cash did you start out with?

    I just finished my first Lonnie Deal and came out OK. It was a 2/2 double wide in a 55+ park. Bought it for $4,750 and sunk another $750 into it with carpets, carpet cleaning and some paint, etc. Total invested $5500. (Looking back I could have got it for cheaper). I bought it August 16 and had it under contract August 23 contingent on park approval. Sold August 26 for $6,900, $500 down, $175 month, 48 months. Interest rate is 14%.

    Like you said on your first deal, the amount I learned from this was priceless and I came out with a 28% ROI. Not great, but not bad. I priced it low because the lot rent was $775 per month (really nice 55+ park) and I didn't want to pay it.

    If I were to do it again, I'd buy for less and hire someone to clean and install the carpet. I now know the cost and labor involved so it'll be easy to factor into my offer.

    It'll take me a bit now to gather enough money for my next lonnie deal. I'm considereing borrowing some from my brother inlaw at a low interest rate. Time to be creative!

    You've got more heart then I do jumping in to your first deal with $750/mnth lot rent!! Congrats on your first deal and an even bigger congrats on unloading that thing before lot rent came due! :)

    The 1st home I did was about $2500 out of pocket all said and done then the second one was about $2k. Total out of pocket for both was $4500 - $500 down payment on the first one. Leaving a 4k hole in my pocket. Luckily I sold the second one for 4k cash which gave me working capital to take on a couple more. Bought the next one for $500 and sold it as is for $3500 cash. The most I've ever been out of pocket I think was 6k when I was working on 3 homes at once.

    I try to keep my cost around 2k so I can get more deals done and recoup my money faster.

    As far as creative financing goes there are a few options for you.

    a) Sell your note to someone like Marc Faulkner (he's here on BP). They pay you upfront for the rights to your note. Payments would then go to him and you can move on to your second deal and forget all about the first one.

    b) Borrow money from relatives, friends, or colleagues who are interested in making 10% interest on their money instead of .005% the bank offers. That should be a no brainer to them. My bank tries to get me to put money in their CD's and savings account ect. I thank them and tell them I'll invest my own money and make 200-400+% instead of let them invest my money and pay me half of 1%.

    c) Get a personal loan with a local bank. Rates and terms will be different from bank to bank but your best bet is a local bank because they want to establish a relationship with you and be there for all your money needs. Not just the convenient ones like the big out of state banks. Where I do my banking offers unsecured personal loans with 12-24mnth terms with either 10 or 12% interest. 5k minimum. Better interest rate if you secure the loan with something but I like having as little skin in the game as possible.

    d) There are other options out there like refinancing your house, ect but personally I think options A - C are your best bet. If anyone reading this has a creative idea that I left out, by all means please let us know!

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbury, MN · Member since 2008 · 133 posts · 43 votes
    15y

    Another option is P2P lending sites like Prosper.com and lendingclub.com. Depending on the loan size you can go out 3-5 years keeping your monthly payment low.

    I would start with A-C as well though because generally you can get better rates and even more important are the relationships that you can start to build for the future.

  • Real Estate Investor · Salem, OR · Member since 2011 · 422 posts · 149 votes
    15y

    Nothing short of Inspirational.

  • Real Estate Investor · Kirkland, WA · Member since 2011 · 18 posts · 1 vote
    15y

    Thank for the information Drake and Lance.

    Terry, I was sweating bullets, but so was the guy I bought it from. He made it irresistable and I came out OK. I ran an add in the nickel and am getting an average of 5 callers a day. I would have used craigslist but... not many 55+ are computer savy.

    My girlfriends brother in law has cash. He floated me 1/3 payable in two installments for this deal. I'll most likely create a promissory note with the cheapest interest rate he'll take to borrow next time.

    Going forward, I'll stick to the 2k range. They seem to make the highest return with less risk. I will also stay away from the high lot rent parks.

    Lessons learned on my first deal for those reading this:
    1. Before you buy, make sure you know exactly what homes are priced in the park you are selling. Depending on lot rent, they will fluctuate from park to park.
    2. Know how much your rehab will cost, especially carpet, paint, and cleaning. I for one, hate cleaning and would rather pay someone else to do it. Carpet can get expensive fast.
    3. I think Terry talked about this, but carpet and paint will make a huge difference.... especially for the new home smell. Don't skimp on the carpet, if it needs to be replaced... DO IT!
    4. Know your closing costs. Have the taxes been paid through the new year? Excise tax rate? Title transfer fee? They may not be much, but will eat into your bottomline.

    One more thing. If you don't know everything, thats ok. Take one step at a time. I used Lonnie Scruggs book, Deals On Wheels as a reference guide on everything!! It was a huge help! He covers almost every scenario you could come across.

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y

    Sounds like you've learned quite a bit on your first deal! Repairs are a lot cheaper then most people think. I don't remember if I posted this in this thread before or someone else's post so forgive me for repeating myself but to give you an idea I'll tell you what I usually pay for services.

    Cleaning lady that brings her own cleaners, vacuum, ext cord, ect - $50 (well worth me not doing it)

    Carpet + Install (includes removing old carpet, installing tack strips where needed, new padding, and new carpet) - $10.60/yd after tax. Avg cost for MH is about $500.

    Paint - My handyman can do the entire exterior 2 color paint in about 1-1.5 days. So usually $150 labor and another $100 for paint means a total of $250 for ext. Paint. Interior is a little cheaper at about $200 labor and materials. Below is a picture of a MH I just finished about a week ago. This one cost just $250 labor and materials.

    Pressure wash exterior - For $50 Scott shows up with his equipment and power washes everything. It's either cleaned up enough to sell otherwise it's clean and ready to be painted.

    Here is something that I find saves me a lot of drive time and hassle. I leave a lock box on the back door. This is where I will leave a check for Scott, or the cleaning lady. When they are done with the job they put the last 4 numbers of their phone number in the box and collect their check. This way I don't have to drop what I'm doing and spend $25 in fuel on a $50 job. They love it because they get paid right away with no hassle. The exception is the handyman though because I want to make sure everything was done that was supposed to be done and if anything else pops up he can take care of it while he is there.

    I'm sorry to babble on but I enjoy sharing what I've learned with other people and I love watching you guys go from reading about Lonnie Deals to DOING Lonnie Deals.

  • Mobile Home Investor · Calgary, Alberta · Member since 2009 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    15y

    What advice would you give to me who is interested in doing Lonnie Deals in another city (Mesa, Arizona) as prices are too high in the place I live in (Canada)?

    I'm thinking of planning a trip to Mesa to pick out several parks that would be amenable to a Lonnie deal and drive to find one deal on the first trip and get most of it fixed up while I'm there, while marketing it at the same time. (ie mobile home for sale, must qualify with park manager).

    What are your thoughts on this?

  • Real Estate Investor · Waynesboro, VA · Member since 2009 · 22 posts · 6 votes
    15y

    Terry, just think how much better the pricing might have been if you'd have gone through the master bedroom floor during the walk through with owner. Great job, love the pics...

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by David H:
    What advice would you give to me who is interested in doing Lonnie Deals in another city (Mesa, Arizona) as prices are too high in the place I live in (Canada)?

    I'm thinking of planning a trip to Mesa to pick out several parks that would be amenable to a Lonnie deal and drive to find one deal on the first trip and get most of it fixed up while I'm there, while marketing it at the same time. (ie mobile home for sale, must qualify with park manager).

    What are your thoughts on this?

    David, in my opinion I would stick as close to home as you can. The park I work in is a straight shot from the highway and about 30minutes door to door. I personally wouldn't want to spend anymore then 30-45min travel time but that is just me. Especially for your first one. You're going to be going back and forth a lot. Believe me.

    If lot rent is too high in your area, try to build some report with park manager and work out a deal for free or discounted lot rent or free lot rent for X amount of months. Find out about their foreclosed homes or abandoned homes. After you've done a deal or two they will want you to take their homes.

    If the home prices are too high then that is just a matter of finding a seller that has to sell more then they want to sell.

  • Wholesaler · Cedar Park, TX · Member since 2012 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    14y

    Great posts. I'm considering Lonnie Deals like this and appreciate your thoughts. Keep it up.

  • Commercial Landlord · Oshkosh, WI · Member since 2013 · 299 posts · 88 votes
    13y

    Very cool pics I have always been a little curious as an investor of apt buildings and homes and multi units how thiings work in the world of mobile home investing. Between just fixing up homes and turning them into notes or actually buying mhp's I am curious what the collection% is compared to stick build or conventional construction?
    Nice work btw Terry fast money!

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